Picking up 1st level spells


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So I've got this Blight Druid that delivers Touch spells at range (Reach Spell), and I was wondering if there was any way to add Reduce Person to my spell list for the extra Dex for ranged touch attacks and the size AC.


Not that I can think of.

Even if you were a Samsaran Reduce Person seems to be an Arcane only spell.

Put some points in UMD and snag a wand?

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Rynjin wrote:

Not that I can think of.

Even if you were a Samsaran Reduce Person seems to be an Arcane only spell.

Put some points in UMD and snag a wand?

*Sulks* Wouldn't be an issue if Druid's Wildshape changed their type to Animal.


Wildshape into something small and natural spell feat

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gourry187 wrote:

Wildshape into something small and natural spell feat

Already do that. Wildshape into a Hawk or something and flit about, debuffing things. Picked up that 1000g Ioun stone that gives me a free level-0 spell and picked up Disrupt Undead ('Cause a disease Druid sucks against undead).

Though I think now I'll try Vermin Shape 2 (Giant Black Widow (large sized web spider) with Tremorsense), Fog Cloud (or similar) and touch spells.


A potion of reduce person costs 50g and lasts for 1 minute. Might not be quite what you wanted, but it's effective.


You can't have multiple transmutation effects changing your type.
So when wildshaped, you aren't affected by enlarge/reduce spells regardless of which types they affect.


Not entirely true. You cannot have multiple (polymorph) effects at the same time.


gourry187 wrote:
Not entirely true. You cannot have multiple (polymorph) effects at the same time.

There is an additional clause in the polymorph section:

Polymorph wrote:
In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.


But wildshape doesn't always change your size so a med druid that wildshapes into a med wolf could still use enlarge person (their type is still humanoid) because enlarge person is not a (polymorph) spell (its transmutation).

Strictly by RAW as far as I know.


gourry187, I feel you're misreading the polymorph rule.

"In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell." We can change the order of the clauses to read as:

"While you are under the effects of a polymorph spells, other spells that change your size have no effect on you."

This change the sentence structure is purely cosmetic, as the dependent clause and independent clause are still the same clauses, just with flipped order. It does, however, make it easier to read.

While wildshaped, you are under the effects of a supernatural ability that functions in every way like polymorph spell except as specifically noted under the druid entry for wildshape. This means that while under the effects of wildshape, the druid cannot be affected by other spells that change his size.

This applies whether or not the initial polymorph spell changes your size.

It's possible I'm the one reading this incorrectly. Thoughts?


"Other" spells that change your size implies that there was a first spell that changed your size to begin with.

If a Medium Druid Wild Shapes into another Medium creature, he has not had a first spell/effect that changed his size. Having a spell cast on him that changes his size at that point would be the first, not an "other".

That's how I've always figured it anyway.

Could be just as easily read as "other spells that" <implied "have the ability to"> "change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell", I suppose.

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