its probably been answered but want too make sure..
stats
level 7/8
str 10 dex 18 con 14 int 22 wis 12 cha 09
+1 scimitar
feats weapon finesse, dervish dancer, intensify spell, weapon focus scimitar,
traits magical lineage..sh grasp, child of the savannah,....
Holding the charge fun….
Round 1 cast int shock grasp….swift action keen shocking on my weapon. no attack move within 10 feet of my opponent. int shocking grasp held...
round 2 5' step full attack...deliver intensified shocking grasp....then spell strike casting it again legal? this is my main question...could I hold the spell ...next round full attack and cast again using spell strike?
arcane pool = K keen + shocking/Flaming/frost....or SFf
level 7 bab 5 with haste....
level 8 bab 6/1
math... hit+5bab+4d+1m+1wf= 11/9 spell strike haste= 11/9+11
hit+6bab+4d+1m+1wf= 12(10)/ 7 1bab+4d+1m+1wf 7 haste...= +12/10 7 then +12/10?
if i am right, round 2 would be crazy,
1d6+6x2* +7d6 (shocking grasp) x2 +1d6 k* SFf then spell strike for another..1d6+6x2* +7d6 (shocking grasp)* x2 +1d6 SFf
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I appreciate any insights anyone could give me or pointers...
Yes, that is valid (attacking with a held charge then casting another spell via spell combat in the same round - I don't know about all your math, I didn't double check that). Of course if you miss your attack then cast shocking grasp then you would lose the charge of the first one - though of course if you miss on your attack you don't have to cast a spell at that point.
bbangerter wrote: Yes, that is valid (attacking with a held charge then casting another spell via spell combat in the same round - I don't know about all your math, I didn't double check that). Of course if you miss your attack then cast shocking grasp then you would lose the charge of the first one - though of course if you miss on your attack you don't have to cast a spell at that point. of course... miss buff, or continue...so then a held charge allows me too double charge attack? ie held intensified shocking grasp, full attack standard action spell strike? for another...if I hit..otherwise buff...on firsy attack thanks...
garvdart wrote: bbangerter wrote: Yes, that is valid (attacking with a held charge then casting another spell via spell combat in the same round - I don't know about all your math, I didn't double check that). Of course if you miss your attack then cast shocking grasp then you would lose the charge of the first one - though of course if you miss on your attack you don't have to cast a spell at that point. of course... miss buff, or continue...so then a held charge allows me too double charge attack? ie held intensified shocking grasp, full attack standard action spell strike? for another...if I hit..otherwise buff...on first attack thanks...
annoucing....first round swift action keen, shocking on weapon full action cast a intensified shocking grasp.. round 1
round 2 5 step in full attack....roll hit...x2 then spell strike? after works...
if true yowza...for my magus...
held charge=
thats 1d6+6*2 +7d6*2+ 1d6 attack then spell strike 1d6+6*2 +7d6*2+ 1d6
using a +1 scimitar with keen and shocking bonus...
lol i dont miss very often since I use dex too hit
bab 5+4d +1m+1wf= 11 base hit minus 2 for spell strike...
since if holding a charge no negative...so first hit would be a +11/spell strike after would be a 9, i believe...if this is correct...then best bet would always be ....hold the charge against the big bad...esp with mirror image, shield and what naught....
though of course if you miss on your attack you don't have to cast a spell at that point. hence I could spell strike mirror image, or shield, or better yet stoneskin,
of course going back too holding a charged spell, thanks for you input bbangerter, just want too make sure....
for me holding a charge, equals possible charged hit. then spell strike second hit, not counting haste or a 6/1 bab
garvdart wrote: its probably been answered but want too make sure.. You're using the wrong names for some abilities.
You might find some use in this Guide to Touch Spells, Spellstrike, and Spell Combat.
garvdart wrote: round 2 5' step full attack...deliver intensified shocking grasp....then spell strike casting it again legal? No. A full-attack is a full-round action. You can't cast a spell afterwards unless it's quickened.
garvdart wrote: this is my main question...could I hold the spell ...next round full attack and cast again using spell strike? No. What you can do is use Spell Combat, make your melee attack(s) first, discharging the held touch spell if you hit, then cast your spell afterwards. If you haven't discharged the held touch spell, then casting your spell will cause it to dissipate.
garvdart wrote: math... hit+5bab+4d+1m+1wf= 11/9 spell strike haste= 11/9+11
hit+6bab+4d+1m+1wf= 12(10)/ 7 1bab+4d+1m+1wf 7 haste...= +12/10 7 then +12/10?
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
A level 7 magus with 18 dex, the Dervish Dance feat, weapon focus, and a +1 scimitar has an attack bonus of +11 (BAB+5, Dex+4, WF+1, Enhancement+1).
If he's under the effects of a haste spell, his attack bonus is +12, and if he uses a full-attack action, he would get a second attack also at +12.
garvdart wrote: if i am right, round 2 would be crazy,
1d6+6x2* +7d6 (shocking grasp) x2 +1d6 k* SFf then spell strike for another..1d6+6x2* +7d6 (shocking grasp)* x2 +1d6 SFf
If the magus above hits someone with his scimitar, it deals 1d6+5 piercing damage. (1d6 for medium scimitar, +4 from dex, +1 enhancement)
If he is delivering a CL7 intensified shocking grasp, it would also deal 7d6 electricity damage.
If you've added elemental damage to your weapon with the arcane pool, it would deal that much extra damage.
garvdart wrote: hence I could spell strike mirror image, or shield, or better yet stoneskin, Neither Mirror Image nor Shield have a range of "Touch" so they cannot be used with Spellstrike.
Stoneskin does have a range of "touch" so you can use it with Spellstrike. This means you would hit someone with your sword, then give them a beneficial defensive spell.
If you are talking about Spell Combat, not Spellstrike, remember that casting any spell will cause a held charge to dissipate. So if you're holding the charge of shocking grasp, then you cast shield, you lose the shocking grasp.
If you took a little bit more care in writing your posts, it would be much easier to answer your questions. I really suggest reading that guide, as it will clear up a lot of these issues.
Grick wrote: garvdart wrote: hence I could spell strike mirror image, or shield, or better yet stoneskin, Neither Mirror Image nor Shield have a range of "Touch" so they cannot be used with Spellstrike.
Stoneskin does have a range of "touch" so you can use it with Spellstrike. This means you would hit someone with your sword, then give them a beneficial defensive spell.
If you are talking about Spell Combat, not Spellstrike, remember that casting any spell will cause a held charge to dissipate. So if you're holding the charge of shocking grasp, then you cast shield, you lose the shocking grasp.
If you took a little bit more care in writing your posts, it would be much easier to answer your questions. I really suggest reading that guide, as it will clear up a lot of these issues.
thanks for the input
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