Bard Archetype Dervish Dancer Vs Dervish Of Dawn


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Hello to all,

just to make sure my understainding is correct (and yes i have used the search message):

A level 12 Bard Dervish Dancer

Starting as a free action a battle dance would:
Gain +3 moral bonus to attack and dam (inspire courage)
Gain +3 untype bonus to attack and +3 Dodge bonus to AC (Rain of blows)
Gain + 1 attack at highest base (Rain of blows)

Vs

12 Level Bard Dervish of Dawn

Starting as a free action a battle dance would:
Gain +6 moral bonus to attack and damage (inspire courage double on self)

so in one hand the drevish dancer has same to hit bonus but and exhangd the +3 added damage for a +3 dodge bonus to AC, while adding +1 attack

Am i correct?

they both have to be in battle dance you gain said bonus?

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Dervish Dancer other bonus while in battle dance inclued Free improved crit on top of bonus from rain of blows, bonus to land speed (fleet) a somewhat pounce ability (dance of fury)

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Dervish of Dawn gains a free feat (dervish dance) usable all the time and the ability to quicken a few cure spells for free with a move action (Meditative whirl)

am i correct?

The reall added bonus of the Dervish of Dawn is the free feat with out the weapon finess pre requisit.
in terms of added abilities (judging form stand alone abilities, no outside buff) when the Dervish dancer has take the to feat (weapon finess+ dervish dance) it apprears to me that the untyped bonus to hit/dodge+ 1 free attack + semi pounce is a bit stronger than the free quicken cure

am i right?


Algar Lysandris wrote:

Hello to all,

just to make sure my understainding is correct (and yes i have used the search message):

A level 12 Bard Dervish Dancer

Starting as a free action a battle dance would:
Gain +3 moral bonus to attack and dam (inspire courage)
Gain +3 untype bonus to attack and +3 Dodge bonus to AC (Rain of blows)
Gain + 1 attack at highest base (Rain of blows)

No, Inspire Courage and Rain of Blows are both Battle Dances--you can't use both at once.

Algar Lysandris wrote:

Vs

12 Level Bard Dervish of Dawn

Starting as a free action a battle dance would:
Gain +6 moral bonus to attack and damage (inspire courage double on self)

Yes, and this makes Dawnflower Dervish significantly better than Dervish Dancer.

Algar Lysandris wrote:
Dervish Dancer other bonus while in battle dance inclued Free improved crit on top of bonus from rain of blows, bonus to land speed (fleet) a somewhat pounce ability (dance of fury)

No, again, all of those are battle dances, so you can't do them all at the same time. Hint: Dervish Dancer sucks.


Inspire Courage is a competence bonus to attack and damage, morale vs fear and charm.

Other than that, +1 to mplindustries.


Also agree with mpl. Haste is a pretty common buff on your own spell list that does not stack w/ rain of blows and benefits the party. Dawnflower Dervish gives a better inspire bonus and has more synergistic class features in general.

I like it much better than Dervish Dancer.

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