Martial Versatility and prerequisites


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Shadow Lodge

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After several hours of searching, this is the closest I've seen to addressing this question, but it's hardly an official ruling...

Anyways, my reading of Martial Versatility is that it simply applies the benefits of a feat to weapons in the same group, without you needing to be able to select that feat for those weapons (such as Dervish Dance, which normally CAN'T apply to weapons other than the scimitar).

The reason I bring this up is that I submitted a Hero Lab bug report, regarding my selecting Martial Versatility (Weapon Specialization) flagging all my weapons with a validation error, "Weapon Specialization without Weapon Focus". The response I received was:

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I disagree with your interpretation of the rules. I believe that Martial Versatility (Weapon Focus) is effectively a prerequisite for Martial Versatility (Weapon Specialization), even if it's not explicitly stated.

Core Rulebook, pg. 112: "A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables."

Because Martial Versatility does not remove the "Weapon Focus with selected weapon" portion of Weapon Specialization, if you use a weapon that you have weapon specialization for, but do not have weapon focus for, it as if you have lost the weapon focus prerequisite of weapon specialization, and therefore, weapon specialization does not function until you have restored the prerequisite.

To which I responded:

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My interpretation (and the only one I've seen when searching the official forums for several hours) indicates that this IS a valid use of the feat.

As an example, let's say we have a level 5 human Fighter with Weapon Focus/Specialization in Longswords, and takes Martial Versatility for Weapon Specialization. He still has the prerequisite for Weapon Specialization (Longsword), but Martial Versatility allows him to apply the benefit to all weapons in the same group (heavy blade, in this case).

Martial Versatility doesn't grant you the selected feat for all weapons in that group, it simply allows you to use the one you've already got (and still meet the prereqs for) with those weapons, without HAVING the feat for those weapons. The prerequisite in this example is still Weapon Focus (Longsword), even if he then applies the Weapon Specialization to greatswords or bastard swords.

...and now they're asking for any links to official rulings on this (entirely reasonable).

Seeing as I haven't found any such rulings, I figure I should either ask if anyone HAS seen one, or fish for one.

Shadow Lodge

So... nothing?


Probably not. Their reading is so far out of left field I doubt anyone else has run into it.


I recall seeing an extreme example involving dervish dance benefits on another weapon in the same group via Martial Versatility. Jamie Jacobs indicated it was acceptable. His word isn't law and you won't have chapter & verse to quote to your GM.

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