Can spent Elemental Gems be renewed?


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Someone in my group, who happens to have a proclivity for interpreting the rules in the most "broken" way possible, noticed that in Pathfinder Society you can spend Prestige to repair any broken item, and he believes that this can be applied to elemental gems (you know the ones, crack 'em open and a big scary monster comes out to fight for you), which would mean you could buy this valuable item, get it reconstructed, and keep on using it every session, potentially, for no further gold cost.

I'm skeptical, to say the least - but is he, by any chance, right?

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5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West

While I agree with the fate described above, you couldn't use Make Whole to repair an Elemental Gem. Relevant stuff highlighted by me.

Make Whole wrote:
Make whole can fix destroyed magic items (at 0 hit points or less), and restores the magic properties of the item if your caster level is at least twice that of the item. Items with charges (such as wands) and single-use items (such as potions and scrolls) cannot be repaired in this way.

An Elemental Gem is single-use, so it's not repairable. Also you couldn't do it with Prestige anyway, because you'd need a caster level of 22 (each gem is CL 11), and using prestige for spellcasting is always minimum level.

From the Guide:

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Any spellcasting purchased using Prestige Points is cast at minimum caster level.

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David,

You are certainly right about the single-use tidbit, but what supersedes in the Make Whole/Prestige conversation? The FAQ basically says you can ignore the level requirement for Make Whole precisely because the caster level requirement gets ridiculous very quickly. I am not advocating that the player in question get to succeed on his cheese, but what you are saying is that no player can ever have their items repaired for PP.

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RtrnofdMax wrote:
I am not advocating that the player in question get to succeed on his cheese, but what you are saying is that no player can ever have their items repaired for PP.

I don't see this as a problem.

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It just seems contrary to the way Prestige is usually used: upkeep and the removing of conditions. You can call in your contacts to clear your diseases, curses and lost levels, but you can't use it to fix your weapon with the broken condition. It just seems incongruous.

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I would ask the player if they can 'repair' a scroll and/or potion if they are used.

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Let me save you all a lot of trouble:

It can't be repaired because it's a single-use item.

However, regarding the expense and Caster Level of Make Whole, "If you need to repair gear, A Wizard Did It. Just pay for it."

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RtrnofdMax wrote:
It just seems contrary to the way Prestige is usually used: upkeep and the removing of conditions. You can call in your contacts to clear your diseases, curses and lost levels, but you can't use it to fix your weapon with the broken condition. It just seems incongruous.

They can but just up to a point. Non-magical gear for example, MWK... But I wouldn't be that surprised if your faction can't repair a +3 holy longsword.

Sovereign Court 1/5

Sure they can, see Patrick's link. A Wizard Did It.

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RtrnofdMax wrote:
Sure they can, see Patrick's link. A Wizard Did It.

Note how that is in GOLD pieces, not Prestige.

All Prestige Point spell casting is done at minimum level, that's never been overwritten in an FAQ as far as I know. If you pay gold, you can get any CL that you can afford/need. It would only be 440 GP if Elemental Gems were repairable in this method.

There are already plenty of diseases that cannot be cured with minimum level spell casting, at which point you can go ahead and get whatever caster level you need using gold pieces. Just because it's purchased from a Faction doesn't make casting the spell exempt from the normal rules (Caster Level checks, chance of failure, etc.).

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Ok let me clarify just so everyone understands my position. I do not think that an elemental gem or any other single-use item should be able to be Made Whole, with PP or not.

However, I don't see why a player shouldn't be able to get their fancy magic item fixed for PP. Even if the item is CL30, it would only cost 600GP to fix, which is easily covered by Prestige. I understand why everything is at minimum caster level for most spells, but making an exception here would only help with paperwork and provide another benefit you can pay for with PP.

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5

I see it this way: you can repair the gem just fine but you can't put the elemental back in it. So, yes, you can repair the broken gem as many times as you want, but when you break it, nothing is coming out.

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Totenpfuhl wrote:
I see it this way: you can repair the gem just fine but you can't put the elemental back in it. So, yes, you can repair the broken gem as many times as you want, but when you break it, nothing is coming out.

Hmm, would the price of the Make Whole be based on the value of the magical gem, or just the gem itself? ;p

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