ScyFy - Defiance


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I'm enjoying the series!


I watched the 2nd episode to give it another try. Liked the plot a bit, but again can't get past the cheap alines. Half of the aliens is simple makeup. Why don't they just put up a body-pain nude up on the screen, say it isn't really naked as he/she is wearing paint covering everything and call it a day. Sure it will get the effect they want, oh wait they practically did that already in the last episode LOL! Honestly I had sort of forgotten.


IceniQueen wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

That and the Space Elf culture

LOL I and my BF think the EXACT same thing. Elves done badly with cropped ears

Funny, that is exactly what I called them to a friend of mine today.

Shadow Lodge

The male space elf looks creepily like Data from Star Trek.


Kthulhu wrote:
The male space elf looks creepily like Data from Star Trek.

Yeah

Grand Lodge

The music is very cool.

Sovereign Court

Kthulhu wrote:
The male space elf looks creepily like Data from Star Trek.

Funny... I said that too. Data with long white hair. Funny!

Silver Crusade

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Kthulhu wrote:


You see a bit more of her in the second episode. And by that I mean you see practically as much of Jaime Murray's body as you could ever expect to on SyFy.

I'm waiting for Doc Yewll self-examinations/maintenance.

DAT CAUSTIC BEDSIDE MANNER


I love you Jaime Murray.

Whelp, just saw the finale.....now what the f+*% am I supposed to do til Jun 2014?

Liberty's Edge

Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

I love you Jaime Murray.

Whelp, just saw the finale.....now what the f&+& am I supposed to do til Jun 2014?

Play the video game? I picked it up for my PS3 and, while it isn't the greatest shooter ever, it's fun and it's giving me my Defiance fix when the show isn't on. Getting the see the world outside the ruins of St. Louis is kind of cool, and there are tons of mutants, hellbugs and volge to explode. The game also kind of ties in with the show. They're running a contest now where your character will show up on one of the season 2 episodes.

I didn't think the season finale was the strongest episode, but I still really like the show. I think the world they've built up around the series would make a great RPG setting. My only real complaint is

the votan magic:
. Irisa's whole alien messiah/angel of death thing was eye-rolling and Nolan's inexplicable resurrection was just kind of dumb.
I hope they explain it all as some sort of nano-science or AI thing before it turns out the votan races have jedi. I'd even be happier if it turned out Irisa dreamed the whole last ten minutes of the finale while she was on the operating table.


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Science fiction? And here I thought I was watching high fantasy.

Orcs, elves, wizards, magic. It's all there.


Umbral Reaver wrote:

Science fiction? And here I thought I was watching high fantasy.

Orcs, elves, wizards, magic. It's all there.

Just like Star Wars, no this is not really a Sci-Fi.


While I know this isn't what I would call a real Sci-Fi and I am tired as All Heck of humanoid aliens and the possibility of a cross-breeding crazy stupid, the show is winning me over in writing and acting as I think they are doing a better job of showing the difference in societies and personalities of another species.

-Hexen


Damn cliffhangers. :)

Silver Crusade

Really enjoyed the first season. Love Irrisa, the doctor, and some other minor characters. I kinda think next season will almost be sorta a BSG year (when the cylons took over that one planet the humans had landed on. Cept in Defiance it will be the Earth Republic). Lots to think over while we wait an entire year for the next season. I will miss the mayors sister. (Jaime Murray's character is deliciously evil).


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Did anyone else get the feeling...

Spoiler:

...that as soon as the colonel or general or whoever he was started talking trash to Datek (sp?) that he was already dead, he just didn't know it yet? I turned to my fiance and said "Yeah, he won't live through this scene..."


love this show


Kryzbyn wrote:


Did anyone else get the feeling...
** spoiler omitted **

Exactly what I thought.

Sovereign Court

Stopped watching a couple weeks ago. To my BF and it it failed. Sci-Fi Western is the best way to call it.

The Rich mine owner just like the wealthy guy in a western who really runs the town

The mayor who is wishy washy

The Pimp/Hooker reminds me of the slutty saloon girl

The rebel aliens. The bandits or natives that run rampant

Then you add the wealthy elves who are so underhanded. Almost like the mob or bad guys of the town.

Only the sheriff who like all other westerns is the drifter who they make the law because he fits the bill and is the best fit.

Yup done with the show


One of the better sci-fi type shows on TV.

Blows Arrow out of the water, in any case.

Sovereign Court

anyone else?:
Think they wasted a lot of potentially interesting characters for little reason? First the creepy assistant to the former mayor gets choked out. Lets just forget how badass he was earlier. Then, they start developing this former lover of the mayor. Bam...and hes gone. Then, the former mayor gets tricked by the doctor. This was a more reasonable end but at the same time what a waste of a good character. Finally, the mayors sister, which wasn't a terrible end, but I have a feeling it was pretty much to clear the way for a Nolan Amanda romance.

Is it an attempt to be edgy? I mean this type of thing works on Game of Thrones but the end seems a lot more developed then what we are getting here with Defiance. I really had high hopes because of the cast and writer teams. I probably will have forgotten this show by the time it comes around again in June '14.

Dark Archive

Kryzbyn wrote:

Did anyone else get the feeling...

** spoiler omitted **

Oh yes. Tar has like, *zero* impulse control. If his wife isn't there to throttle him down, his idea of 'delayed gratification' is 'I'll put off killing you as long as it takes for my knife to clear the holster.'


Kryzbyn wrote:

Did anyone else get the feeling...

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
I told my son "that dude just effed up. He's dead now.

Datak is the f#~&ing man!!!


Pan wrote:
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I kinda like it.....makes me feel that NOBODY is safe on the show.


Indeed.
The actor that plays Datak certainly had a look in his eyes that said "make these last words of yours count..."


Spoiler:
gee,....I hope Kenya's not dead, er.......whatever....

Grand Lodge

Tony Curran that plays Datak Tar is a truly exceptional actor. His portrayal of Vincent Van Gogh in Doctor Who was amazing.

Defiance is no Firefly, but it has kept my attention. I for one enjoy Arrow more; the last episode of it was far better than the last episode of Defiance. Though Stephanie Leonidas in full makeup as Irisa is worth the price of admission alone.

To wait nearly a year for another episode is almost as stupid as moving Warehouse 13 to 10:00 PM.


Irathients are hippie Klingons.


I like it because the elves are sinister, and have magic blades. Too bad the gnome died. They make great bartenders.

The orcs are scary, but a good PC fighter can take one down pretty well. The neck golem was fierce, too, but the sheriff beat him, in the end.

That lizardfolk doctor talks like she's wearing a mask, but she's interesting. And the catfolk oracle? She's awesome.

Next season, Defiance will struggle to stay independent. I'll watch. They'll be 6th level.

It's no Firefly, but nothing can compare to the greatest show of all time. It'll do until Firefly comes back.

Dark Archive

Dignis "Diggy" Burrows wrote:
I like it because the elves are sinister, and have magic blades. Too bad the gnome died. They make great bartenders.

There's at least one more gnome in town. Rafe McIOwnAMine has one as a butler/maid/house elf.

Silver Crusade

Birdie he calls her.


Still need to watch the last 4 episodes on Hulu, but I'm liking the show thus far.


I like this show...it is fun to watch. Can't wait for the second season.

Also...sigh...There is no magic on this show.


Yeah, in regards to the whole "resurrection" scene:

Spoiler:
Didn't the doc explain he'd been taken over by nanobots that basically took over his body?

Liberty's Edge

Shadowborn wrote:

Yeah, in regards to the whole "resurrection" scene:

** spoiler omitted **

That was Sukar, the big Irathient Spirit Rider dude. There's been no explanation for the res in the season finale. It might be explained in Season 2 but, for now, all we've got to go on is

spoiler:
the votan weapon/thing in the mine just willed it to happen in exchange for Irisa becoming its "mother."
Basically magic.

@ John Kretzer - I think most people are using the word "magic" with tongue planted firmly in cheek. The psychic visions, unexplained resurrection of seemingly dead characters and spirit guide-like hallucinations could be psionic but, other than Sukar's thing with the nanobots, no explanation has been given for how those things are happening. It's not Harry Potter-style magic, but it's still seemingly supernatural in a series that's being packaged as gritty sci-fi.


There was a similar vein of mysticism in Farscape, so it's not too surprising to see it here in Defiance.

Dark Archive

Finally saw the finale. There are some bright lights in Defiance.

  • Rockne O'Bannon
  • As mentioned above, Tony Curran is fantastic as Datak Tar
  • Jaime Murray is always a delight whether as grifter, science fiction writer cum secret agent or manipulator extraordinaire.
  • Mia Kirshner was great until the final two episodes and even then she was good.

The doctor waffles between a pro and a con.

Then there are the let downs.

  • The former mayor's story would have been better had they left her human. Two "undercover" aliens in twelve episodes was too much.
  • Also mentioned before, the churning through quality characters and the actors portraying them.
  • Canceling Alphas to pay for this show.

I gave it the full first season and I wish it well if it makes another season. I just won't be waiting for it.

Liberty's Edge

I liked this show, and I look forward to season 2.

Honestly, when it comes to SyFy shows, I tend to set the bar reasonably low. I just hate when they cancel a show prematurely, and replace it with a movie about gargantuan animals or yet another paranormal "reality" show.

Sovereign Court

Heymitch wrote:

I liked this show, and I look forward to season 2.

Honestly, when it comes to SyFy shows, I tend to set the bar reasonably low. I just hate when they cancel a show prematurely, and replace it with a movie about gargantuan animals or yet another paranormal "reality" show.

You mean like this?

The Exchange

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'd like the show more if the tie-in MMO wasn't getting tossed to the side.


Season 2 begins June 19.

Sovereign Court

I really hope season 2 improves. I really like the talent behind Defiance but it just was too predictable. Considering this thing ate Alphas and now warehouse 13, I hope they can up their game.


Let's hope they seize their potential. I just noticed a Defiance marathon on Syfy today, which made me think of it.


Loved season 1, so I can't ask for much more other than "more of the same, please".

Sovereign Court

Arnwyn what did you like so much? For me it was like they wanted to be frontier like Firefly, diverse like B5, and lethal like GoT. I dont think the show did a very good job of capturing those influences while making itself unique or interesting.


I don't know if I can pinpoint it. I liked the characters, I liked the 'background' story (Arks, Earth Republic, all that).

Seemed like they captured this: "frontier like Firefly, diverse like B5, and lethal like GoT" bang-on, AFAIC.

Liberty's Edge

Anybody else watch the season 2 premiere? I dig it, but I'm kind of confused by E-Rep fashion. On an earth where I'm assuming Star Wars and Gladiator were movies people would remember from before the arrival of the Votans, why would a supposedly benevolent government choose to dress all their politicians and soldiers in outfits that scream Evil Empire. When the new mayor isn't wearing a gorget and what looks like a black leather cuirass, he parades around town in a black cape for Irzu's sake (bonus evil points for also having a British accent.) A pair of vandals caught defacing a banner with graffiti even call the E-Rep out on being Nazis. That's not a knock against the show. I just think it's funny that the E-Rep's public relations department didn't throw a red flag when they saw the uniform designs.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Varus Soleptor make an appearance in the show. Varus was the Liberata crime boss who sent a bunch of goons after Nolan in Hollywood, and he's the guy Nolan and Irisa were running from at the beginning of season 1. Players of the Defiance game will recognize Varus as the owner of Soleptor Enterprises, a constant source of income for Ark Hunters and one of your allies (more or less) in the game. He's a sleazy, little crook, but he pays on time and he's fairly useful to the main quest in the game. I like him.

I also liked Doc Yewll's impromptu "tumor-check" of Datak. Her deadpan, "Ya want me to check you for lumps?...Nope...You're good." was awesome.


Holy shit, way to throw every last tiny shred of your main characters' likability into a furnace and terminate it with extreme prejudice.

Sovereign Court

Did this thing start up again?

Shadow Lodge

After the ridiculously long wait after the first season, I never got back into this show. How was season 2?

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