Malian Dracan
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Heartseeker from Ultimate Equipment says.
A heartseeker weapon is drawn unerringly toward beating hearts. A heartseeker weapon ignores the miss chance for concealment against most living targets, though the attack must still target the proper square. This special ability does not apply against aberrations, oozes, plants, outsiders with the elemental subtype, or any creature specifically noted to lack a heart. Dose this weapon enchantment let the attack an enemy with
mirror image on as long as it has a heart beat?
| MikeMyler |
So long as you are targeting the correct square, yes, it ignores the miss chance for concealment granted by mirror image, blink, displacement, invisibility and any other effect that grants concealment so long as the target has a heartbeat.
The "though the attack must still target the proper square." bit is included for invisible targets (which may not occupy the square you are targeting, depending on the target's individual movement rules). Mirror Image does not actually make illusory copies of you that occupy any other squares than the one you are in. "These images remain in your space and move with you, mimicking your movements, sounds, and actions exactly"
| Quandary |
it ignores the miss chance for concealment granted by mirror image
mirror image doesn't grant miss chance or concealment.
miss chance is a specific game term, otherwise AC could be broadly interpreted as 'miss chance'.since mirror image doesn't invoke that mechanic, the item doesn't really do anything vs. targets protected by mirror image.
that said, there is always the trick of closing your eyes or putting up fog which blocks vision, etc,
and then attacking (usually the trick uses blind-fight), in which case the mirror images don't affect somebody who is 'blind',
and thus you are just attacking them will miss chance for full concealment, which the item does work against.
the 'targetting same square' wording does, like many similar cases, seem to ignore the fact that multiple creatures can in fact inhabit the same square... how to handle such cases simply isn't covered by the RAW, here or for those other cases. you could randomly choose, but that isn't really directed by the RAW.
| MikeMyler |
Whoops. You're absolutely right, it does not grant concealment or miss chance. I failed to read Mirror Image thoroughly enough before posting that. My apologies.
The spell's wording, "These images remain in your space and move with you, mimicking your movements, sounds, and actions exactly." implies that the sound of your heartbeat is similarly reproduced.
Closing your eyes and shooting in the right square thematically should work but since the arrow is also a subject of the enchantment (as it has limited perception of its own accord, presumably via blindsight) IT would have to be rendered senseless and unless the target were silenced or otherwise magically baffled the attacker would still have to roll to avoid striking an image (although not against the concealment granted to the target from attacking blind).
This would mean that Heartseeker weapons do not grant their bonuses in zones of magical silence, which sounds about right.
Ricgeon
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This would mean that Heartseeker weapons do not grant their bonuses in zones of magical silence, which sounds about right.
I have to disagree with you on this point. The wording of Heartseeker doesn't mention the sound of a beating heart, it simply says "beating hearts". A heart still beats in areas of Silence.
| Hendelbolaf |
There is no sound component to this so any silence effects would do nothing to Heartseeker.
As mentioned, Mirror Image does not provide concealment, but any time there are more than two images or so, it is better to just close your eyes and go for the 50/50 miss chance. Of course there is the idea that even a miss against a Mirror Image could take out images so that might deter some from closing their eyes.
However, just like Quandary said, in this case I would close my eyes and let Heartseeker find the mark without a miss chance. Of course there are other penalties to being "blinded" in this situation, but not much as you can just open your eyes after shooting as a free action to prevent your own AC penalties and such.
Ricgeon
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There is no sound component to this so any silence effects would do nothing to Heartseeker.
As mentioned, Mirror Image does not provide concealment, but any time there are more than two images or so, it is better to just close your eyes and go for the 50/50 miss chance. Of course there is the idea that even a miss against a Mirror Image could take out images so that might deter some from closing their eyes.
However, just like Quandary said, in this case I would close my eyes and let Heartseeker find the mark without a miss chance. Of course there are other penalties to being "blinded" in this situation, but not much as you can just open your eyes after shooting as a free action to prevent your own AC penalties and such.
I agree on the sound, though the issue (of Mirror Image vs. Heartseeker vs. Magic Missile) arises from what I see as the use of the word "unerringly" in the descriptions. Both Magic Missile and Heartseeker use the word but MM works vs. MI but Heartseeker does not. That's the bone that I have.
| Claxon |
I think a common sense answer (though not necessarily RAW) is that heartseeker (not dependent on any known sense) somehow sense real heart beats (and only real heartbeats) and as such as long you target the right square you will unerringly aim at your target.
Though Mirror Image is not a miss chance explicitly, in function similar to a miss chance (at least at the tables I play at) because you roll a die (with close to the number of mirror image, i.e. 1 image you roll 1d4 with 1-2 being real, 3-4 being image, 2 image you roll 1d6 with 1-2 real, 3-6 image, 3 image 1d4, 4 image 1d10 1-2 real, 3-10 image, etc). It's not exactly the same as rolling D% die to determine a miss chance, but it is similar.
At the end of it all, the fact that you can close your eyes voluntarily to avoid the Mirror Image and incur a miss chance that is then negated by the Heartseeker quality makes the whole thing sort of irrelevant doesn't it as that chain of events bypasses the whole problem? So why not just say that Heartseeker ignore the images from Mirror Image as well.