Maybe I am rehashing a closed argument but......


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

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Was there ever an official ruling from the devs as to whether the Improved Natural Attack feat works with a Monk's Unarmed Strike, seeing as how it states that a monk's Unarmed Strike is considered to be a natural attack?

I'm aware of what the Beastiary says but there are other such rules for specific classes that are an exception to the rule.


Is not that why feral combat training came about?

Silver Crusade

Conundrum wrote:
Is not that why feral combat training came about?

Where is that found?


Feral combat training. A feat with no relevance to the question at hand.

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A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.

So the question is "is Improved Natural Attack an effect?"


The whole "what is an effect" thing is something that is inconsistent.

Take half-orcs ability orc blood vs the feat Racial Heritage. They both have the exact same text "effect related to race" (The fat goes on to give examples but example does not change the meaning of a word.) and yet at least according to these forums (I have seen dev speak on the feat but have not seen them do so about orc blood) the feat lets you take an orc archetype and the half-orc ability does not.

So what is an "effect" is sloppy at best.


It SHOULD be, but as I recall there was a conclusive ruling against it.

Poor monks.


shallowsoul wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Is not that why feral combat training came about?
Where is that found?

ultimate combat.


kyrt-ryder wrote:

It SHOULD be, but as I recall there was a conclusive ruling against it.

Poor monks.

Which shouldn't stop any DM from ruling that it does work for monks in their game.

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