Metamagic and Reduced Spellcasting


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How do the rods and feats interact with these classes (rangers, paladins, summoner, etc.)? Do they simply gain the benefit of the rods over their entire repertoire of spells for cheaper in turn for having reduced capacity?


I imagine so. I mean, a lesser Rod of Metamagic increases any spell of third-level or lower (meaning all of a Paladin/Ranger's list but 4th level spells).

The feats require the same increase requirement - so a silent first-level spell becomes second-level, and a fourth-level spell cannot be silenced at all for a Paladin/Ranger.

Summoners, Inquisitors, Bards, and other 6-level spellcasters follow the same rules, but obviously max out at 6.


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Any caster can use a metamagic rod on their spells, regardles of their spellcasting progression. It does increase not spell slot or spell level (except for Heighten spell, which isn't available as a rod). You could even use a metamagic rod on 4th-level ranger spells or 9th-level wizard spells, even though that would normally have taken up a spell slot higher than is possible for the class.


Right. So for a spellcasting class that tops at 6th level spells a normal rod of metamagic would cover their entire list, yes? Granted, in the case of quicken that's 75k. LOL

Shadow Lodge

RD is correct, although I'll offer one minor nitpick: RAW, Sorcerers still cast as a full- round action when casting from a rod. And though they are the only class that does so by RAW, most reasonable GMs will extend that to all spontaneous casters.


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Sesharan wrote:
RD is correct, although I'll offer one minor nitpick...

Why, I don't know what you mean. ;P

Grand Lodge

The main difference between these classes and full casters is that they can use cheaper rods on their spells. A summoner for example can use the second tier rods for their 4 - 6 level spells even though this includes an equivalent 9th level spell (Dominate Monster) at 16th.

I find the interesting since a 7th level summoner can use a first tier quicken rod on Black Tentacles or Wall of Fire but other classes can't.


That's why I was asking if it had to do with the trade off they make for having a reduced casting list. It would seem like a legit answer to me. I'm simply curious if that's the case as well as wanting to see if I hadn't noticed something that directly contravened this in the rules.

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