Rules for Hard Copies of PDFs


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Liberty's Edge 2/5

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I was wondering about the legality and possible repercusions of something. Our local PFS group meets at our LGS once a week. Sometimes we have unexpected players show up, which we love, but seating another table can be problematic on short notice. One solution we thought of was to print out a copy of the three First Step scenarios and keep them at the shop. Wondering if this is legal from Paizo's point of view. The way I understand it I can print out material for personal use.
1. Does that mean only I can GM my watermarked scenario?
2. Is it acceptable for me to play my watermarked scenario and let someone else GM?
3. Can I run or play another game and let someone else run my watermarked scenario?
4. Can someone run my watermarked scenario if I'm not attendance, home sick, or couldn't make it to event?
5. I noticed some items like Character Traits Web Enhancement doesn't have a watermark. Can I print these out and give to players?
6. What about free items like Pathfinder Society Organized Play
Quick Start Guide. They are watermarked but to me they seem designed to be passed out.
7. Would there be a difference in the Quick Start Guide and the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
8. We are currently trying to really grow PFS in our area, just want to make sure we do it the right way. I've heard that you can lose the ability to purchase any new material if copies of your watermark get out.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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We don't mind you loaning out printed copies of stuff with your watermark, so long as you get it back (and so long as you don't mind that the person you loan it to sees your email address).

However, when it comes to giving things away, we'd much rather you point people at our website so that they can get their own copies; in addition to helping us connect with them, it helps us gauge demand for the products, and it allows us to keep them informed about updates to those products (and related products, if they let us send them marketing emails).

Liberty's Edge 2/5

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Ok. Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like the best thing to do is loan out materials while in store or at event and distribute a take home info sheet with links to Paizo for Core assumption material and helpful items.

Webstore Gninja Minion

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Warpath42 wrote:

Ok. Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like the best thing to do is loan out materials while in store or at event and distribute a take home info sheet with links to Paizo for Core assumption material and helpful items.

When do you sleep, man? You were still GMing last night when I left and then you drove home and took the time to put all this together? Dedication!

Anyway, looks like our filing cabinet full o' scenarios at the FLGS idea is a non-starter from what Vic said.

I must admit that while I understand and appreciate the reasoning behind wanting folks directed to here to download their own copies of things like the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, (and will of course abide by Vic's wishes), I bet we could get a larger percentage of our new players to actually read the Guide if we just handed them printed and bound copies of their own.

But I like that handout idea a lot, listing the items on the Core Assumption with clear directions on how to obtain legal copies of them. There are other handouts we could do, too. We need to do one on legal playable races, for example.

Grand Lodge 5/5

I know I was thinking of leaving copies at our FLGS. Probably not now.

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Before this gets turned into some long drawn out discussion (as is want on these forums), I would like to point out that:

this is the way it has always been. This is not new and it is not going to change.

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First Steps and other FREE scenarios like We Be Goblins, I keep on hand at the game store in case I need them. Its a welcome reprieve from the already insane amount of things I have to lug to a gameday I'm running.

PDFs I pay for, are kept on extreme lockdown.

Grand Lodge 5/5

All I intended to keep at the FLGS was First Steps, Free RPG day modules and the Guide. Is that acceptable?

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Hawkwen Agricola wrote:
All I intended to keep at the FLGS was First Steps, Free RPG day modules and the Guide. Is that acceptable?

Only if they are chained to the desk, to even look at them the person must sign a contract in blood and leave a major credit card.

srsly:
In all reality as long as the staff at the counter know that the information cannot be given out for keepsies and that the people borrowing them must give them back... in addition to anyone borrowing them knowing the pdf rules; I don't see where those things would be an issue.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Thanks PFCBG, we are trying to grow PFS in our area (virtually non-existent) and my thought was that if there were the basics at the FLGS (First Steps, Guide, Game Mat, Paper Minis, ect..) then if existing players had a friend(s) who were interested in playing PFS and there was not a session going at the time, the materials for an impromptu session are available. Therefore gaining players and possibly GM's. Certainly if the new people continued to play, we would sagely guide them toward the proper material needing to be purchased by said new people.

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