TRDubbz
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So here is the thing, I want to maker either a ranger (APG shapeshifter)/ summoner or a druid (APG Blight Druid)/ summoner but I am unfamiliar with the interaction with my animal companion and eidolons. Would i lose control of one or get major negative modifiers for controlling both or something different?
| Drakkiel |
Your animal companion will only level when you level in the class you got it from or if you level in a class that gains an animal companion also, so you don't really take negatives for having both a companion and your eidolon as far as I know.
Also just so you know a Blight Druid does not gain an animal companion, they get a familiar instead
Nature Bond (Ex)
A blight druid may not bond with an animal companion, but may either call a familiar as a wizard of her druid level or select from the Darkness, Death, and Destruction domains in addition to those normally available.
| Devilkiller |
It is usually a bad idea for a Summmoner to multiclass for more than a level or two since your eidolon ends up falling behind in power.
One reasonable way to multiclass might be if you take 1-4 levels of Summoner and just use the eidolon as a porter/wand jockey who comes back the next day if slain (and possibly carry a wand of Summon Eidolon in case you need it back quicker). You could get your animal companion back up to full power with the Boon Companion feat and probably have things work out pretty well.
Granted, the multiclassing would delay your access to wildshape, but spells like Mage Armor and Shield would work really well with it, and you'd have a little buddy to UMD buffs onto you and maybe even Ride around on your animal companion defending it with Mounted Combat (a properly equipped 4th level eidolon could have about a +25 Ride check, which seems at least semi-useful through mid levels...)
In terms of control, you'd use Handle Animal to control the animal companion, and you can simply tell the eidolon what to do since it has Int 7 and can understand your language.
| David knott 242 |
To answer the question more directly: an animal companion and an eidolon are two different things, and there is currently no way to combine them into a single creature. As a result, any character that has both will be underpowered, as both creatures will be below what a single-classed character would get (although that Boon Companion feat would get an animal companion up to full level if the character has no more than 4 non-druid levels -- but there is no corresponding feat for the eidolon of a summoner).
| Drakkiel |
for questions doing with multiclassing it helps if you add how many levels you are wanting to go for each class, to give us a better idea of what your idea for your character is...as Devil and David both said your eidolon will fall behind in power if you do not go full summoner, or if you go only a few fighter levels then he will still be behind a dedicated summoner but not quite as bad
Michael Sayre
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Just wanted to throw one thing out real quick: If this character is for Pathfinder Society, you will only be able to bring one pet into combat with you at a time, either the eidolon or the animal companion/familiar. If it's for a home game, everyone has covered it pretty well here.
If you wanted to do a blight druid and have a familiar who is reminiscent of an eidolon, you could always look at the Evolved Familiar feat.
| kyrt-ryder |
Since it seems you're mostly taking the Animal Companion class for the companion- assuming this isn't for Pathfinder Society - you could take the Signature Mount feat to pick up a companion based on your ranks in Handle Animal or Ride without losing summoner levels. (Note that you don't have to USE the companion granted from this feat as a mount, only that it needs to be capable of serving as a mount. Tigers, for example, are perfectly capable of carrying a rider with a proper exotic saddle.
| Devilkiller |
A Fighter/Druid with the Boon Companion feat will probably have a more powerful pet than a Fighter/Summoner. There is a Dragoon archetype for Fighter which might be worth taking 1 level of as a Summoner though. It grants Skill Focus (Ride) and Mounted Combat as bonus feats. You'd also get proficiency with some potentially useful weapons like lances and bows along with better armor proficiencies (nice for mithral breastplate later on).
If you want a decent eidolon you probably shouldn't invest more than that single level in Fighter though.
Michael Sayre
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A Fighter/Druid with the Boon Companion feat will probably have a more powerful pet than a Fighter/Summoner. There is a Dragoon archetype for Fighter which might be worth taking 1 level of as a Summoner though. It grants Skill Focus (Ride) and Mounted Combat as bonus feats. You'd also get proficiency with some potentially useful weapons like lances and bows along with better armor proficiencies (nice for mithral breastplate later on).
If you want a decent eidolon you probably shouldn't invest more than that single level in Fighter though.
A single level of Dragoon for a Summoner who uses his Eidolon as a mount can be super effective. You get front-loaded with the basic feats for mounted combat, and combining lance attacks (especially once you snag Spirited Charge) with an Eidolon's Pounce is one of the nastier ways to deal a ton of damage.
| Drakkiel |
I looked up some rules for PFS...and found they only allow you to have one animal companion out for combat at one time, and the summoners Eidolon is counted as an "animal companion for combat" in this case...I am on my phone right now but I will find the link where I read it when I get home
EDIT:NVM found it on the phone...had saved it without knowing :P It was actually read in a FAQ about PFS
How many animals can I have at any given time?
During the course of a scenario, you may have one combat animal and as many noncombat animals as you like. Noncombat animals (ponies, horses, pet dogs, and so on) cannot participate in combat at all. If you have so many noncombat animals that their presence is slowing a session down, the GM has the right to ask you to select one noncombat animal and leave the rest behind. A summoner's eidolon is considered an animal companion for the purposes of counting combat and noncombat animals. If you have more than one class granted animal companion (or eidolon), you must choose which will be considered the combat animal at the start of the scenario. In general, a mount, a familiar or mundane pet, and your class-granted animal(s) are acceptable, but more than that can be disruptive.