Lycanthropes and Coup de Grace

[cleth]

Is it possible to coup de grace a lycanthrope with a bladed weapon the is NOT silver? This came up in a game last night, and , philosophically/metagame-wise, I would think not. But it did fail the save, so....

[blackbloodtroll]

Yes.

Damage Reduction has no effect on the ability to perform a Coup de Grace.

[NobodysHome]

I'm going to semi-disagree with blackbloodtroll.

The rules for a coup de grace are simple: You automatically crit and confirm the crit. Say you do 20 points of damage with that crit, and the lycanthrope has DR 10/silver.

I'd say the CdG attempt does 10 damage, and the lycanthrope has to make a Fort 20 save to not die.

I see no reason the CdG should bypass the DR.

[Grick]

NobodysHome wrote:

I see no reason the CdG should bypass the DR.

Nobody said it would bypass the DR, just that it has no effect on the ability to perform a Coup de Grace.

Meaning, you can still perform a coup de grace. It does everything it would normally do. Crit hit, roll damage, apply DR and whatnot, then fort save if it survives.

-edit- Assuming you manage to actually do any damage.

Damage Reduction: "Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison, a monk's stunning, and injury-based disease."

So if the small wizard CdG's a Werewolf (Hybrid Form) with his steel dagger, dealing 6 damage (1d3/x2!) it wouldn't do any damage, so I would say the wolf doesn't need to make a DC 10 fort save.

-edit2- He wouldn't deal a point of non-lethal from that because the Minimum Damage rule only applies to penalties, and DR isn't a penalty.

[blackbloodtroll]

Grick has my meaning correct.

[LazarX]

You can still CDG, but the damage and the resulting Fort save still take the reduction of damage due to DR into account.