How far is 5 feet away?

[AtomicGamer]

For example, obscuring mist says that if something is 5 feet away it has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate the target).

Just to be absolutely sure, 5 feet away means adjacent creatures and 10 feet or further is non-adjacent, right?

[Torger Miltenberger]

AtomicGamer wrote:

Just to be absolutely sure, 5 feet away means adjacent creatures and 10 feet or further is non-adjacent, right?

That's correct.

- Torger

[Jacob Saltband]

If your using a battle mat its 5" is the next square away from the square your character occupies

[SlimGauge]

The only wrinkle I'm aware of is in the case of an attacker who is so small that they must enter your square to attack you. Assuming you have a normal reach (you threaten adjacent), you get an AoO (with the 20% miss chance) as the attacker enters your square. The attacker makes his attack with no miss chance, and then because he can't stay in your square, he bounces out to the square he came from. Then on your turn you can attack him with the 20% miss chance. Repeat.

[Nefreet]

AtomicGamer wrote:

For example, obscuring mist says that if something is 5 feet away it has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate the target).

Just to be absolutely sure, 5 feet away means adjacent creatures and 10 feet or further is non-adjacent, right?

Just think in grid units. One square = 5ft. If an effect says "5 feet away", start from the square your character is standing in and count outward. "1, 2, 3" would mean "5, 10, 15".

X123

X = Your character.
1 = 5ft away (also adjacent)
2 = 10ft away, and you cannot use sight to locate your target.
3 = 15ft away, the farthest away a Sylph with Cloud Gazer could target you without penalty.

[Grick]

SlimGauge wrote:

The attacker makes his attack with no miss chance, and then because he can't stay in your square, he bounces out to the square he came from.

Moving Through a Square: "Very Small Creature: A Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. The creature provokes attacks of opportunity when doing so."

You're saying that "move into" doesn't mean the tiny creature can end it's movement in the same square as another creature?

Moving Through a Square: "Ending Your Movement: You can't end your movement in the same square as another creature unless it is helpless."

In your example, the creature ends it's movement in the same square before it gets the chance to attack, resulting in 0-reach creatures never being able to attack anything since they can't end their movement in a shared square. Ending your movement is not ending your turn.

Either tiny creatures are crippled and can't attack, they all get a free version of flyby attack, or the tiny creatures section is supposed to mean they can remain in the square.

Jason Bulmahn says (in Alpha) something three size categories can occupy a square. (This is really barely relevant, since he's talking about something that doesn't exist in release, but it does mean that at least at one time, the Lead Designer considered the three-size difference enough to occupy a shared square, not just move through it)

[Kazaan]

Relevant passages concerning 0' reach creatures, in order.

Opponent: You can't move through a square occupied by an opponent unless the opponent is helpless.

Ending Your Movement: You can't end your movement in the same square as another creature unless it is helpless.

Very Small Creature: A Fine, Diminutive, or Tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. The creature provokes attacks of opportunity when doing so.

By default, you can't move through or into an occupied square without using an Acrobatics check. However, Tiny and smaller creatures can. They can move both into (implying ending their movement) or through (implying continuing their movement). If they couldn't stop, then the passage would only need to specify that they can move "through"; the fact that it includes the term "into" indicates that it is a separate condition from moving "through". No where does it state by default that creatures co-occupying a square are "pushed out". Take, for example, the case of a helpless foe. You move to his square and co-occupy (legal since he's helpless. Something happens that removes his helpless condition. You still both co-occupy the square until one of you moves out.

[Oladon]

PRD: Combat wrote:

Square Occupied by Creature Three Sizes Larger or Smaller: Any creature can move through a square occupied by a creature three size categories larger than itself.

A big creature can move through a square occupied by a creature three size categories smaller than it is. Creatures moving through squares occupied by other creatures provoke attacks of opportunity from those creatures.

Wasn't just Alpha.

[Grick]

Oladon wrote:

PRD: Combat wrote:

Square Occupied by Creature Three Sizes Larger or Smaller: Any creature can move through a square occupied by a creature three size categories larger than itself.

A big creature can move through a square occupied by a creature three size categories smaller than it is. Creatures moving through squares occupied by other creatures provoke attacks of opportunity from those creatures.

Wasn't just Alpha.

You'll note the rules you quoted speak of moving through a square, not occupying one.

The point to quoting Jason was that he referred to the three-size-difference as allowing it to occupy the same space, not just move through it.

[Oladon]

Ah, gotcha.