5 foot step and Full Attacks


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Grand Lodge

I had a player in our last game insist that after declaring he would be making a full attack with his fighter, he could take a 5 foot step between each attack to move to the next opponent should the previous one be killed. I could certainly be wrong here, but wouldn't that move action (even a 5ft. Step) interrupt his attack?


Unless you have some feat that allows an exception, you have to take your five foot step before or after your full attack and you can't move during the full attack. It sounds like your player is misinterpreting (innocently or deliberately) the 5 foot step rules to try to gain an advantage in combat.

Grand Lodge

That is what I had thought, this particular player has a tendency to read rules in whatever way is advantageous to his character. Thank you for the quick response.

Sczarni

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According to the CRB & PFSRD your player was correct;

FULL ATTACK wrote:
The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.

Emphasis is mine


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

You CAN take your five foot step between attacks. Give me a minute and I'll find the rules reference.

EDIT:

Core Page 181 wrote:
Full-Round Action: A full-round action consumes all your effort during a round. The only movement you can take during a full-round action is a 5-foot step before, during, or after the action.

You may take your five foot step during your full-attack action. If you get multiple attacks due to a high BAB or TWF, you can make your step between them.

Sczarni

After re-reading your first post I want to clarify that your player only gets to do this once. You can only make 1 x 5' step as part of a full-attack, but you can take it at anytime.


You can take a 5-ft. step between the attacks in your full attack, but you're still allowed only a single step each round.

PRD wrote:

Full Attack

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The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.

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Edit: Dang Ninjas, but relevant link FTW!


Also, to make sure OP is clear... a 5-foot step isn't a move action.

Dark Archive

It's already been said by Quantum, but to reiterate:

You can take a 5-foot step as a free action in any turn where you do not move. This doesn't count standing up or retrieving an item, as these are only move-equivalent actions.

And yes, you can take a 5-foot step before, during or after a full attack. It can be in between your attacks, but you're limited to one. You can also take a 5-foot step as part of a readied action as long as you haven't moved during your turn.


Ah, yes, I should have looked it up. You can take your single five foot step in the middle of your full attack as well.


Mergy: It's not a free action, either... it's a non-action.

And it's not just if you don't move during your turn...

Combat wrote:
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement.

It's an important distinction, since some abilities can allow movement as immediate actions.

Dark Archive

I'm almost positive it's a free action, but I'll have to double check to be sure.

Grand Lodge

I had looked again after my second post at the full attack section, where it is most certainly explained I was incorrect in my assumption. And it is a non action, so I would certainly accept moves between each attack.

I'm glad I went back and checked, found a few other small things I had overlooked.


5-ft. steps are listed as "Miscellaneous Actions". Whatever that means.

Grand Lodge

If you check the table at the beginning of combat it falls under a Non-Action, something I had overlooked numerous times when looking into this particular situation. I had always assumed it was still considered a move action, though small enough not to cause an AoO. So looking in the movement section never brought up anything to prove otherwise.


Stewart Towslee wrote:

I had looked again after my second post at the full attack section, where it is most certainly explained I was incorrect in my assumption. And it is a non action, so I would certainly accept moves between each attack.

I'm glad I went back and checked, found a few other small things I had overlooked.

Stewart, could you clarify that you aren't saying you'll allow the player multiple 5-foot steps? You say "between each attack" as if he can make more than one...

Grand Lodge

It says you are only allowed one 5-foot move per round if I am not mistaken, therefore a single 5-foot step would be allowed.


Five foot steps are in fact a 'special' action. They are movement you may take as long as it is the only movement you take during the round. Taking a five foot step does NOT count as movement for the purposes of +1 BAB characters drawing weapons, and never provokes attacks of opportunity.

You may, in fact, stand up, take a five foot step, and stab someone all in the same round!


Stewart Towslee wrote:
It says you are only allowed one 5-foot move per round if I am not mistaken, therefore a single 5-foot step would be allowed.

Correct... just making sure. Your statement of "between each attack" led me (and others in the thread) to believe that you might be misunderstanding 5-foot steps.

Grand Lodge

Earlier discussion whether a 5-foot step is a non-action
A similar point


Krodjin wrote:
After re-reading your first post I want to clarify that your player only gets to do this once. You can only make 1 x 5' step as part of a full-attack, but you can take it at anytime.

Yep - its what makes my 6th level lunging, reach weapon-wielding, whirlwind attacking Fighter go. You can hit everyone on the entire battlefield at full BAB... now to just take Dazing Assault for some decent crowd control.

*evil grin*

Silver Crusade

A 5-foot step is an action in terms of 'something you do', so you can't take a 5-foot step if you can't take any actions for some reason, such as when stunned or after casting dimension door.

A 5-foot step is not an action in terms of consuming a full-round, standard, move, free, swift or immediate action.

A 5-foot step is a (miscellaneous) non-action; it's not even a free action.

Dark Archive

Is there any fighter/archer ability that allows the player to take a five foot step when his allies do? Not on his turn and not towards an enemy as a swift action.

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