Gray Gardener's Judgment Ability


Rules Questions


I'm making a Rogue/Inquisitor/Gray Gardener and I just have one question about the awkward wording in the Gray Gardener's abilities.

SRD wrote:

Harsh Judgment (Su): At 2nd level, a Gray Warden can pronounce judgment on his enemies. This ability functions like the inquisitor judgment ability, except a Gray Warden can choose only the destruction, piercing, purity, and smiting judgments. For the purpose of determining the bonuses provided by these judgments, a Gray Warden's class levels stack with any levels in other classes that grant the judgment ability.

At 6th level, and again at 10th level, a Gray Warden can use this ability one additional time per day.

Second Judgment (Su): At 4th level, whenever a Gray Warden uses his judgment or harsh judgment ability, he selects two different judgments. This consumes only one use of this ability. As a swift action, he can change one of these judgments to another type.

Slaying Judgment (Su): At 8th level, while using the judgment or harsh judgment ability, a Gray Warden can declare a slaying judgment against a foe when he makes a melee attack (or ranged attack, if the foe is within 30 feet) against the target. If the attack hits, it deals damage normally and the creature must make a Fortitude saving throw as if struck by a slaying arrow of its creature type. The DC of this save is equal to 10 + the Gray Warden's class level + the Gray Warden's Wisdom modifier. A Gray Warden can use this ability once per day.

It's the "judgment or harsh judgment" that is throwing me for a loop. Because technically Gray Gardeners only have Harsh Judgments. Does this mean you can apply Second/Slaying to your all Inquisitor Judgments? Or just destruction, piercing, purity, and smiting, which are allowed to be Harsh Judgments?

And what if you have the Inquisitor's Second Judgment ability as well? What does it mean to have TWO Second Judgment abilities? Nothing, just a repetitious ability that doesn't have any mechanical benefit (like multi-classing and having the same class skill in both classes)?


Katelyn Scarlett wrote:
It's the "judgment or harsh judgment" that is throwing me for a loop. Because technically Gray Gardeners only have Harsh Judgments. Does this mean you can apply Second/Slaying to your all Inquisitor Judgments? Or just destruction, piercing, purity, and smiting, which are allowed to be Harsh Judgments?

You can apply its benefits whenever you use Judgement or Harsh Judgment--not just specific ones.

Katelyn Scarlett wrote:
And what if you have the Inquisitor's Second Judgment ability as well? What does it mean to have TWO Second Judgment abilities? Nothing, just a repetitious ability that doesn't have any mechanical benefit (like multi-classing and having the same class skill in both classes)?

If you also have the Inquisitor's Second Judgement ability, it doesn't do anything to your normal judgments you can't already do. It does however still work on Harsh Judgment, which the Inquisitor's second judgment ability does not apply to.

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