If used with martial prof. the dueling sword counts as longsword. Elven Battle Training applies to longswords. Does that mean it applies to the dueling sword?
Does it make a difference whether the wielder has martial or exotic prof.?
So you are saying that when used with martial prof. elven battle training applies but not with EWP?
Basically, if you're using it as longsword, with martial proficiency, then the dueling sword counts as a longsword. So you can use all your Elven training benefits: you can make an extra AoO, and you get the bonus to maneuvers.
If you're using it as an exotic weapon, it doesn't count as a longsword so you don't get all you elven benefits.
If you're using it as an exotic weapon, it doesn't count as a longsword so you don't get all you elven benefits.I disagree on this part. It is still the same sword, why should taking another feat make you lose the ability to fight more efficiently with it?
Because you only get the benefits from Elven Battle Training with 1ongbows, composite longbows, longswords, rapiers, shortbows, composite shortbows, and any weapon with the word “elven” in its name. A dueling sword is none of those, so you don't get the benefits.
And the dueling sword is a longsword, albeit a special one that is a bit more powerful in the hands of a trained wielder, otherwise you couldn't use it without non-proficiency penalties unless you take the exotic weapon proficiency, but this is clearly not the case.
A dueling sword isn't a longsword, its a completely different weapon.
You can use it as a martial weapon, in which case it counts as a longsword, and you'd get any bonuses you get with a long sword. e.g. Weapon Focus.
Basically, you have two choices, use it as a longsword or use it as an exotic weapon.
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Treated as: If a weapon’s description says it is “treated as” another weapon, a character lacking the appropriate exotic weapon proficiency, can still use it as if it were the other kind of weapon and feats such as Weapon Focus still apply, as do abilities requiring a certain weapon. For example, the butterfly knife allows a proficient user to open or close it as a free action and is otherwise treated as a dagger, meaning she can wield it as a dagger, gain the benefit of Weapon Focus (dagger) when wielding it, use it as the target of a spell that only affects daggers, and so on.
The example clearly states that a user proficient in the use of a butterfly knife - someone who is able to open and close it as a free action (requiring EWP) - can still use Weapon Focus (Dagger) and other dagger-specific abilities with the knife.
Having EWP does not stop a "treated as X" weapon from being treated as X for most purposes. It's an X-Plus. The proficient/nonproficient distinction is only relevant when determining whether a wielder can make use of the "Plus" ability.
EDIT: So a character with either proficiency in longswords or EWP(Dueling Sword) can apply Elven Battle Training or any other longsword-specific benefits to it (the "X"), but only a character with EWP(Dueling Sword) can use finesse or other Dueling Sword-specific feats or abilities (the "Plus") with it.
Just as either hand can become your primary hand as a free action, I would rule the same for how you wielded the weapon. For any attack made I would allow the attacker either set of abilities but not both.
It is kind of like a double weapon. Use it one way get one type of damage. Use it another way, get a different type of damage.
In this case it would pretty much give you all the benefits of both, but the idea could be applied to other weapons that work similarly.
Treated as: If a weapon’s description says it is “treated as” another weapon, a character lacking the appropriate exotic weapon proficiency, can still use it as if it were the other kind of weapon and feats such as Weapon Focus still apply, as do abilities requiring a certain weapon. For example, the butterfly knife allows a proficient user to open or close it as a free action and is otherwise treated as a dagger, meaning she can wield it as a dagger, gain the benefit of Weapon Focus (dagger) when wielding it, use it as the target of a spell that only affects daggers, and so on.The example clearly states that a user proficient in the use of a butterfly knife - someone who is able to open and close it as a free action (requiring EWP) - can still use Weapon Focus (Dagger) and other dagger-specific abilities with the knife.
Having EWP does not stop a "treated as X" weapon from being treated as X for most purposes. It's an X-Plus. The proficient/nonproficient distinction is only relevant when determining whether a wielder can make use of the "Plus" ability.
EDIT: So a character with either proficiency in longswords or EWP(Dueling Sword) can apply Elven Battle Training or any other longsword-specific benefits to it (the "X"), but only a character with EWP(Dueling Sword) can use finesse or other Dueling Sword-specific feats or abilities (the "Plus") with it.
Where did you get this quote? I don't see it in my CRB.
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Sorry, should have linked. It's found online on the d20pfsrd weapons page under Weapon Qualities. It also appears in the beginning of the Weapons section of the Adventurer's Armoury - not sure if it ended up printed in any of the major books as I can't find it in Ultimate Equipment.