What I'm mainly looking at are their respective Grit abilities. Do they work together? Do they stack? Does one alter the other, or do they not function at all?
...Some important things to note:
1) The Bushwacker's "Trembling Grit" ability Alters that of the Gunslinger class' original "Grit" ability.
2) The Mysterious Stranger's "Grit" ability simply suggests that the gunslinger gains a Grit ability that works off Charisma, instead of Wisdom. But nowhere does it say that it alters, or even replaces the Gunslinger's original "Grit" ability (Obviously, It's probably intended that it Alters the ability. Still, it's never written. Which befuddles me...)
...so, By RAW, How would you interpret these two archetypes to interact? Can both archetypes be taken? What about the Rules as Intended?
Appears that you cannot take both archetypes. If you look at Table: Gunslinger Archetypes / Alternate Class Features, and follow the Grit column you'll see a "C" for "change" in the box next to both archetyps you mentioned.
A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the core class as another alternate class feature.
I also noted that the alteration to the Grit class feature was not stated to have been altered specifically in the Mysterious Stranger's page, it clearly HAS been altered (RAI) and is stated on the aforementioned table (RAW).
...but if you like it and can get it past the DM, do it ANYWAY!
...Are you looking at the SRD for that result? If you have an errata to back it up (Especially one that states that the Mysterious Stranger's Trembling Grit Alters the Grit ability...) I'd love to see that... But it was rammed repeatedly into my little brain that d20pfsrd counts for naught in this case, and I'd love a link to any table on the official PRD if it exists.
Edit: Counts for naught in this case, Except to show how it's generally interpreted... Still, not RAW.
The Mystreious Stranger does not have the Trembling Grit ability, that is a feature of the kobold Bushwacker archetype.
At 1st level, at the start of each day, a bushwhacker gains grit points equal to her Wisdom modifier – 1 (minimum of 1). In addition to all the ways any gunslinger can regain grit, a bushwhacker who reduces a helpless or unaware opponent to 0 hit points or fewer also regains 1 grit point. This expands the way in which the bushwhacker gains grit points, so a bushwhacker who gains grit points in this way only gains 1 grit point for reducing a helpless or unaware opponent, not 2 grit points.
This otherwise works like the gunslinger's grit ability and alters that ability.
Here's a link to that table:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/gunslinger#TOC-Table-Gunslinge r-Archetypes-Alternate-Class-FeaturesWhy would d20pfsrd count for naught? Sounds like you have a DM that doesn't like his rulings being "undermined" by a free online resource, haha.
My apologies, bit of a typo back there; got them mixed up. It is the Bushwacker's "Trembling Grit" that lists that it alters, and the Mysterious Stranger's "Grit" ability that states nowhere that it replaces or alters (Though it seems rather logical that it's Intended to Alter)
And to answer you: Simply because d20pfsrd is not exactly something published by Paizo. The PRD is The resource... simply not as easily navigable as the SRD =P
Therefore, when asking for the Rules as Written, the SRD's not The resource to refer back to.
You can find the Mysterious Stranger archetype in the PRD here:
Mysterious Stranger
And the Bushwhacker archetype here:
Bushwhacker
...Please give it a second look. And when I'm asking for the Rules as written, the GM's generally not involved; this is my research before making the proposal to my GM, going by what Paizo has deemed legal in the game. And, as far as I can tell, By RAW, the Mysterious Stranger archetypes never even claims that their Grit ability replaces that of the original Gunslinger...
Obviously, this is not what's intended (would be insane to have a Gunslinger with two Grit abilities, one using Wisdom, the other using Charisma, at least in my opinion.), but regardless, a clause that leaves it openly debatable whether both the Mysterious Stranger and Bushwhacker can both be taken at once...
Perhaps the developers intended the Mysterious Stranger's Grit ability to alter any grit (or Similar/Altered) grit ability, making it possible to have "Trembling Grit" that works off Charisma?
Perhaps the developers intended the Mysterious Stranger's Grit ability to Replace the original, thus making the two archetypes incompatible?
Perhaps the wording in the Bushwhacker's Trembling Grit Allows it to alter the "Grit" ability of the Mysterious Stranger archetype, also resulting in a "Trebling Grit" that works off Charisma?
Anyways. That's the reason I'm posting here, hoping to gain enough insight, or have something (Official) pointed out that I've overlooked.
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You can't do it. Both of them alter the Grit class feature. See below:
Trembling Grit (Ex): At 1st level, at the start of each day, a bushwhacker gains grit points equal to her Wisdom modifier – 1 (minimum of 1). In addition to all the ways any gunslinger can regain grit, a bushwhacker who reduces a helpless or unaware opponent to 0 hit points or fewer also regains 1 grit point. This expands the way in which the bushwhacker gains grit points, so a bushwhacker who gains grit points in this way only gains 1 grit point for reducing a helpless or unaware opponent, not 2 grit points. This otherwise works like the gunslinger's grit ability and alters that ability.
Grit (Ex): A mysterious stranger is a force to be reckoned with. Instead of using her Wisdom to determine the number of grit points she gains at the start of each day, she uses Charisma. This ability works in all other ways like the gunslinger's grit class feature.
Since Mysterious Stranger alters the Grit ability to use Charisma, you can't also use Trembling Grit with it, because it also alters the Grit ability.
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BTW, it really irks me when people say things like "But it was rammed repeatedly into my little brain that d20pfsrd counts for naught in this case".
d20pfsrd is a FAN-RUN SITE. We strive to make it as accurate to the rules as possible, and if there's something that's incorrect, you just need to let us know and it will be fixed. If you feel like it's not good enough, volunteer your time to HELP MAKE IT BETTER! There's a link on the site to volunteer. For convenience: join@d20pfsrd.com
There are some people on these forums who seem to spread false accusations like "THEY CHANGE RULES ALL THE TIME" and "IT'S NOT ACCURATE AT ALL". These are simply not true statements... in fact I would be willing to bet that the d20pfsrd is both more complete and more accurate than Paizo's own SRD.
See, Here's my confusion; What you just quoted states that Mysterious Stranger's grit functions exactly like the Gunslinger's grit class feature in all other ways... But never actually makes mention of it Altering the original Grit feature. It never states that it replaces it, either. I can agree that it's obviously the intention, But . . .
Anyways. If two features Alter then I suppose it's invalid. Still wish it'd be edited, to make that official.
As for D20PFSRD...
...I'm not making either accusation. Merely stating, that when it comes to actually quoting legitimate rules, It should be done from the source, not a fan-based site. d20pfsrd is an amazing tool in all other ways, mind you.
My last error in quoting the site was Not because of the wording, but because there was a link that was misleading. It was dealt with. Regardless, I'll play it safe and stick to the PRD for all rule-debating purpose, and use d20pfsrd most other times.