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So it seems to me since under stealth it says:
"Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. However, using Stealth immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action."
So since it said "movement" and not "move action" and it distinguished for ranged attacks, I interpret that to mean that a stealth check can be done on a 5 foot step.
Since he can take a full round action and a 5 foot step, it seems to me that as long as he 5 foot steps around the enemy that he can
Round 1: Full Attack, 5 ft step, make Stealth check->hide.
Round 2: Full Attack, 5 ft step, make Stealth check->hide.
Is this correct?
Also, if an enemy readied an action to attack when the rogue attacks him would this counter the rogues ambush? So lets say that the enemy readied and action to grapple the rogue once attacked, would he resolve the CMB check prior to the rogue re-stealthing or would it resolve before the rogue finished his turn.
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Under Stealth: "It’s impossible to use Stealth while attacking, running, or charging"
There is nothing in Hide in Plain Sight that negates this.
As to Dark Vision - Dim Light is based on the viewer. If you are not in Dim Light, as per the viewers perspective, you cannot hide. For instance, 35' away from a torch is Dim Light for a human. It is not Dim Light for an Elf as the light cast is effectively double for any creature with low light vision.
As to the Ambush - I don't know if that is a talent or what, it is not in the Core RB or APG. If it is just a term for attack, the defender would have to know the rouge is there to make his readied attack. If he does, the grapple would be resolved first. There would be no 'restealth' as that is not an option for the rogue.
Once spotted, you are spotted. You need to find cover or concealment (or Dim Light in your case) to trigger that ability again. Even so, you still cannot attack and stealth in the same round, except for stealth, under any rules you have presented so far.
Additionally, a 5-foot step is not movement. It is not anything. It is a free, extra, non-action. As such you cannot add any kind of action to it. It is added to other actions.
"Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are
not even considered free actions. They literally don’t take
any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of
doing something else"
It is not a:
free action
immediate action
move action
move equivalent action
full round action
standard action
full attack action
swift action
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Komoda is correct. On a side note, if you don't want to have to rely on being near a shadow or dim light there is always the poor mans HiPS.
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I thought "It’s impossible to use Stealth while attacking, running, or charging" meant that once you attack, run, or charge you break stealth. That is fine. The rogue is hides before combat. When the enemy is within melee the rogue sneak attacks from stealth breaking stealth and resolving the attack. If he still has a movement action to make can't he re-stealth? He wouldn't be re-stealthing while attacking would he?
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Additionally, a 5-foot step is not movement. It is not anything. It is a free, extra, non-action. As such you cannot add any kind of action to it. It is added to other actions.
"Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are
not even considered free actions. They literally don’t take
any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of
doing something else"It is not a:
free action
immediate action
move action
move equivalent action
full round action
standard action
full attack action
swift action
But the rule says:
"Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action. However, using Stealth immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action."
So it is distinguishing between "movement" and a "move action" IMHO. Also, for a 5-foot step the rules say "You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement". To me this implies that a 5-foot step is a "movement" but not a "move action" because of the phrasing "any other kind of movement".
To me, since stealth specifically uses the phrasing "movement" rather than "move action" and because the rules imply that a 5-foot step is a type of "movement" but not a "move action" it seems that it can be done.
By itself, no, but when you put it all together:
"In an area of dim light, a character can see somewhat.
Creatures within this area have concealment (20% miss
chance in combat) from those without darkvision or the
ability to see in darkness. A creature within an area of
dim light can make a Stealth check to conceal itself. Areas
of dim light include outside at night with a moon in the
sky, bright starlight, and the area between 20 and 40 feet
from a torch."
"Characters with low-light vision (elves, gnomes, and
half-elves) can see objects twice as far away as the given
radius. Double the effective radius of bright light, normal
light, and dim light for such characters."
"Characters with darkvision (dwarves and half-orcs) can
see lit areas normally as well as dark areas within 60 feet.
A creature can’t hide within 60 feet of a character with
darkvision unless it is invisible or has cover."
"Normal light functions just like bright light, but
characters with light sensitivity and light blindness do not
take penalties. Areas of normal light include underneath a
forest canopy during the day, within 20 feet of a torch, and
inside the area of a light spell."
So, if a rogue is trying to stealth with Hide in Plain Sight, that rogue must be in dim light. That doesn't mean that if he is a human in a cave and can't see his hand that he can hide from the Orc standing next to him.
Another important note is that having darkvision DOES NOT mean one has low light vision. They are different, not just steps of better vision.
So take a torch, a human, an elf and a dwarf.
Race---Normal Vision---Dim Light---Blind
Human---1' to 20'---21' to 40'---41'+
Elf---1' to 40'---41' to 80'---81'+
Dwarf---1' to 60'---NONE---61'+
All three have completely different dim light areas.
You are making a full attack. That means you are attacking during your entire part of the round. It does not mean that you only count as attacking during the second that you roll the dice, but not the seconds between rolls.
As stated, 5-foot step is a non action. You cannot add any action to that non action, ever. It does not count as a move action or even a move. Just as you can not draw a weapon as part of a 5-foot step.
Look at the logic behind it for a second. Do you think it makes any sense that the rules for sniping state that:
1) you have to be at least 10 feet away,
2) only get 1 attack,
3) have to be hiding to start and
4) you STILL get a -20 penalty to the stealth check to be able to hide again
5) takes a move action
yet you want to:
1) be standing next to your target
2) attack up to 9 times per round (2 weapon, level 20)
3) the target knows you are there
4) suffer no penalty
5) takes no action
By your reading of the rules, why would anyone use sniping? Wouldn't they just make all their attacks and take a 5' step and suffer no penalty to the hide?
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As stated, 5-foot step is a non action. You cannot add any action to that non action, ever. It does not count as a move action or even a move. Just as you can not draw a weapon as part of a 5-foot step.
I don't see this in the rules. All I see is "You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement".
What is a movement? Is it a move action? If so, why didn't it just say move action? Are all move actions movements but not all movements move actions?
Under stealth the rules state "Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action."
So to me a stealth is not an "action" so using it during a 5-foot step would not be "adding any action to that non action".
Look at the logic behind it for a second. Do you think it makes any sense that the rules for sniping state that:1) you have to be at least 10 feet away,
2) only get 1 attack,
3) have to be hiding to start and
4) you STILL get a -20 penalty to the stealth check to be able to hide again
5) takes a move action
This would be for someone who is not a shadow dancer and does not have hide in plain site. A regular rogue cannot stealth at all while being observed. A ranged attacker can stealth while being observed but at a -20 penalty and at the cost of a move action.
By your reading of the rules, why would anyone use sniping? Wouldn't they just make all their attacks and take a 5' step and suffer no penalty to the hide?
Because without losing a rogue level for a level in shadowdancer they cannot get hide in plain site and so sniping would be the only way to rehide after making a ranged attack.
For simplicity lets ditch the whole 5 foot step argument. Lets say that a rogue with a level in shadowdancer makes a single attack breaking stealth, takes his move action and stealths using hide in plain site. Ignoring verisimilitude arguments - do the rules prevent this?
As i replied to another question of stealth and attacking before I will reply the same way...if you want to attack and stealth other than sniping the best way is to either be able to disappear or take the Spring Attack feat (once you get the prerequisites that is)...then you could move from stealth, attack, then run back to the darkness and stealth again...its fun to do and even better for assassins that jst have to have a shadow with 10 ft...which is pretty much anywhere unless you are in an open field in broad daylight lol
As for the 5 ft step i agree with "no"...its not a move in particular its a free action...thats like the people without quick draw trying to draw a weapon on a 5 ft step...its not a regular move so no :)