Imho the Description of Spiritual Weapon is terrible.
It states that it is not affected by feats and combat actions.
Toppling Spell is a metamagic feat, yet still a feat.
However Spiritual Weapon is a spell, it strikes as a spell and not as a weapon, so on the other hand the Toppling Spell should actually work properly, since it works with spells, which include the 'force' descriptor, and Spiritual Weapon does include it.
Now what is correct?
Toppling Spell should work.
Please note that Toppling Spell is not as good at is sounds--the effective CMB is actually pretty low, and you won't be able to knock enemies down for very long with it.
There is a thread floating around with lots of testimonials in it named something like "Magical Lineage Toppling Magic Missiles suck!"
i'm not sure, toppling references 'the target' and spiritual weapon doesn't have a target of the spell.
if you allowed it to work for spiritual weapon, it should also work if you had a summon spell of type 'force'.
the toppling effect only happens once when the target is damaged/moved/fails save,
so if the toppling trip check fails, you can't try again with the same spellcasting, that was the toppling effect.
AFAIK, spiritual weapon can normally do Trip attacks, it just doesn't get any bonuses if you have Improved Trip, etc,
and the CMB technically provokes an AoO although there isn't much for the target to do as AoO in most cases.
(a barbarian with spell sunder who could sunder on an AoO, perhaps when Critting, might do some good)
spiritual weapon wrote: Your feats or combat actions do not affect the weapon. As it is talking about the weapon not the spell it indicates you may use feats to cast it but not to effect it once it exists so metamagic while casting is fine.
Quandary wrote: i'm not sure, toppling references 'the target' and spiritual weapon doesn't have a target of the spell.
if you allowed it to work for spiritual weapon, it should also work if you had a summon spell of type 'force'.
the toppling effect only happens once when the target is damaged/moved/fails save,
so if the toppling trip check fails, you can't try again with the same spellcasting, that was the toppling effect.
This is another issue. Spiritual Weapon actually does have targets. Maybe Multiple throughout it's duration. You immediately choose the very first target when casting the spell and it gets attacked byit right away. You can further switch targets throughout it's duration. But these are all targets of the spell. I think you are referring to instantaneous spells like the Magic Missile, so your opinion is Toppling spells might not work on force spells, which have a duration.
mplindustries wrote: Toppling Spell should work.
Please note that Toppling Spell is not as good at is sounds--the effective CMB is actually pretty low, and you won't be able to knock enemies down for very long with it.
There is a thread floating around with lots of testimonials in it named something like "Magical Lineage Toppling Magic Missiles suck!"
According to the feat the check seems to be 1D20 + caster ability modifier + caster lvl vs. CMD. So a lvl 6 cleric with WIS 18 would have 1D20+10 to top the target's CMD. Is this really so bad? Sure it would not be that powerful vs creatures with high BAB + STR mod + DEX mod. But honestly, not every monster has got all that in combination I guess. Using Toppling Spell in a boss fight seems to be rather futile, but for crowd controlling multiple weaker monsters it might come in handy.
anyway maybe I should save the feat for divine interference. Could come in handy to force a creature to reroll a potential critical.
the spell doesn't have a target line, so there is no target of the spell itself.
the spells' effect, the force weapon, itself makes attacks targetting creatures,
but that is no different than summoning/calling creatures which then attack.
a metamagic which affects the spell itself is only affecting targets of the spell itself.
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