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Playing a table-top RPG is NOT about the numbers. It is about social interaction and entertainment.
Of course it is. But the OP is asking if a TWF Cavalier/Samurai is more optimal than a 2HF Cavalier/Samurai. This is an optimization question. I am not saying "Don't play the PC". I am saying it is not optimal and using math to prove my points.
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Before I tried to establish open communication by discussing TWW numbers, you were becoming directive and insulting to people who were providing recommendations that you find disagreeable.
From the OP: "... I've heard the damage output can be pretty insane with Challenge up, and with the full BAB soaking up the TWF penalties.
How accurate is this, and what does a good build for it look like? What Order is best?"I'm saying it's not accurate and backing up my statement with concrete math not arbitrary suggestions. I don't know how you feel this as insulting. Furthermore, your TWW has nothing to do with the OP it is a totally different class. The OP wants cavalier/samurai archetypes. Hence why I have said nothing towards Pharmalades suggestion since it is a suggested archetype not a suggested archetype to counter my 2HF like Avatarded's Goblin TWF.
The people who demand that Str is mandatory for a combat build always use Str-based builds and Str-based tactics to prove their point. Ignoring Dex-based builds and Dex-based tactics doesn't make being Dex-based bad, it just means you won't let go of your existing paradigm.
You're implying that I wont let go of an existing paradigm when that's not the case.
The adopted trait doesn't give you bite. This is a common misperception. Adopted allows you access to race traits not racial traits. Race traits are found HERE while racial traits are those within the race's description (such as the half-orc's toothy).But if you're a half-orc, absolutely you should gain a bite.
In fact there is a racial trait AND a race trait that gives a bite attack. onde of those you can take via adopted.
If you can get it you can use the Razortusk Feat for a Bite. Or play a Tengu.
Also there is the Tusked Trait from Orcs of Golarion.
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If you can get it you can use the Razortusk Feat for a Bite. Or play a Tengu.
Also there is the Tusked Trait from Orcs of Golarion.
I understand this but none of these options are available via the Adopted trait because they are either racial feats or racial traits, not race traits. Umbranus believes there is a race trait that grants a bite attack.
Tusked: Huge, sharp tusks bulge from your mouth,
and you receive a bite attack (1d4 damage for Medium
characters). If used as part of a full attack action, the bite
attack is made at your full base attack bonus –5.
Source: Orcs of Golarion page. 23.
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I'm most disappointed in the fact that nobody has pointed out that the Lance is a one-handed weapon when you're on horseback, and thus you could theoretically TWF with a pair of lances at reach, while your horse threatens adjacent.
And if you're Medium, then your horse takes up a 10x10 square (and so do you while riding it) and you'd threaten a reach radius AROUND that 10x10 square. It's like having built-in Enlarge Person up all the time-- and with all that Dex and such a wide threatened area, Combat Reflexes starts to look hilarious.
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The Adopted trait only allowing race traits is clarified HERE by the Editor in Chief.
If you read the Adopted trait description you will notice it specifically says "Race Traits" which are listed HERE.
Race traits are not to be confused with racial traits. Looking at the Half-Orc Race you'll notice Toothy is described as a racial trait and unavailable for the Adopted trait. Hence why any race cannot take Adopted (human) and gain a bonus feat, because the bonus feat is a human racial trait.
Tusked is a Race Trait from Pathfinder Companion: Orcs of Golarion.
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Tusked: Huge, sharp tusks bulge from your mouth,
and you receive a bite attack (1d4 damage for Medium
characters). If used as part of a full attack action, the bite
attack is made at your full base attack bonus –5.Source: Orcs of Golarion page. 23.
It also states under Race Traits "Only orcs and half-orcs may select one of these traits".
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It also states under Race Traits "Only orcs and half-orcs may select one of these traits".Tusked: Huge, sharp tusks bulge from your mouth,
and you receive a bite attack (1d4 damage for Medium
characters). If used as part of a full attack action, the bite
attack is made at your full base attack bonus –5.Source: Orcs of Golarion page. 23.
Which is why he's taking Adopted..... Which does work, even if it doesn't make any sense...
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A human could also take the Racial Heritage feat enabling them to take either the Tusked trait or the Razortusk feat.
Which is why he's taking Adopted..... Which does work, even if it doesn't make any sense...It also states under Race Traits "Only orcs and half-orcs may select one of these traits".Tusked: Huge, sharp tusks bulge from your mouth,
and you receive a bite attack (1d4 damage for Medium
characters). If used as part of a full attack action, the bite
attack is made at your full base attack bonus –5.Source: Orcs of Golarion page. 23.
I would make it to where they trained to strengthen their jaw and teeth to be able to bite with enough force.
i thought toothy was an alternate racial feature, tusked was a racial trait.
we had a lot of confusion about the terminology back when duskblade and that unicorn-avatar person were arguing about something or other.
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i thought toothy was an alternate racial feature, tusked was a racial trait.
Hmm I'm wrong. Check out This Thread or search there are many others covering the same thing. RAI it's pretty clear the devs didn't want this to work with Adopted. However RAW it's legal. Should be faqed though because at a PFS event I might have to cover my nose ;)
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Toothy is an "Alternate Racial Trait" whereas Tusked is a "Race Trait" drawn from the list of Traits. Unfortunately this is one of those areas where remarkably similar terminology refers to two completely separate things. "Alternate Racial Traits" are taken in place of a races standard ability, like the way Toothy replaces Ferocity (I think that's the one it subs out...). Race Traits are one of the sub-categories of traits, which a normal character gets 2 of and neither of which can come from the same category (race, religion, social, etc.)
I could see it as a Human with Orcish Ancestry who has Vestigial Tusks just strong enough.
Grandparents/Great-Grandparents tribe.
Or in the case of one of my characters she is descended from a Half-Orc Cavalier who united tribes of all the races to form a new nation.