| AznVoltair |
This is all hypothetical but....
Lets say I have a +1 Flaming Lance with a +2 strength modifier and I managed to get a huge tiger mount with reach to charge off of. The mount charges, making a pounce attack (2 claw 1 bite) and so I get to make a mounted charge attack with the lance multiplier bonus. Since the multiplier is not a critical, it multiplies the flaming damage as well, dealing a total of 2d8 + 6 + 2d6 fire damage. Is this right?
(I know I can max out the damage in a lot of ways, just trying to clarify how this works.)
LazarX
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Doesn't work. I rule it this way.
You're on a mount, You can have a lance charge or a mount pounce, not both. For a lance charge you have to be the leading edge of damage, and your lance impact is going to spoil the rhythm for a pounce because its reach impacts your target, stopping your motion, before your mount can make it's strike.
If you want your mount to pounce, than you've got to ditch the lance, and you'll get one strike with a one handed weapon if you make a Ride Check, or with a two handed weapon if you make a considerably harder Ride Check, that weapon can not be a reach weapon in either case.
This goes even more problematic when you start getting ridiculous like this. For a lance to EVEN work with a huge mount, you need a lance with reach greater than your mount. It would be a lance you simply would not be able to wield.
Michael Sayre
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Doesn't work.
You can't pounce from a mount and if a mount pounces it gets it's full attack but you don't getto attack with your lance. It's one or the other.
There's actually nothing that says that. He's not attempting to pounce from a mount, he's having his mount pounce and taking his normal attack. A fighter with Mounted Skirmisher can have his mount charge and make his full attack at the end of it, attacking in concert with his mount as discussed in the Ride skill under "Fight with a combat trained mount". Without the feat he could still take a standard attack action and have his mount attack as well. That's specifically covered in the rules. If the mount has Pounce, it can full attack at the end of that charge, so that's good to go as well.
The one thing that he has wrong is that only the base weapon die+STR+Enhancement in this particular equation are multiplied. Additional die outside of the base weapon die are never multiplied. So it should be 2d8+6+1d6.
Michael Sayre
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This is all hypothetical but....
Lets say I have a +1 Flaming Lance with a +2 strength modifier and I managed to get a huge tiger mount with reach to charge off of. The mount charges, making a pounce attack (2 claw 1 bite) and so I get to make a mounted charge attack with the lance multiplier bonus. Since the multiplier is not a critical, it multiplies the flaming damage as well, dealing a total of 2d8 + 6 + 2d6 fire damage. Is this right?
(I know I can max out the damage in a lot of ways, just trying to clarify how this works.)
I covered it in my response to SS, but the Flaming die would not be multiplied, so it'd be 2d8+6+1d6.
If you want to have some fun with a build like this, definitely check out the Mammoth Rider prestige class, as it lets you add (I believe half of) your mount's STR bonus to your own damage 1/round. That can make your charges pretty spectacular. It also gives you a few extra static bonuses against creatures Large size and up that are multiplied when attacking with a lance from the back of a charging mount.
Seraphimpunk
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This is all hypothetical but....
Lets say I have a +1 Flaming Lance with a +2 strength modifier and I managed to get a huge tiger mount with reach to charge off of. The mount charges, making a pounce attack (2 claw 1 bite) and so I get to make a mounted charge attack with the lance multiplier bonus. Since the multiplier is not a critical, it multiplies the flaming damage as well, dealing a total of 2d8 + 6 + 2d6 fire damage. Is this right?
(I know I can max out the damage in a lot of ways, just trying to clarify how this works.)
having a horse charge, and get to attack, vs. having a tiger charge and get to full attack has no bearing on the rider's action. the rider is still not getting a full attack or a pounce as well.
the lance does double damage, so all static modifiers like str, power attack, favored enemy, get taken twice and damage die for the lance is taken twice. the flaming property is not doubled, that's just added after the fact.
mounted combat rules just state that the rider can't take a full attack unless the mount only moves 5'.
2d8 +6 + 1d6 fire
Michael Sayre
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*** As the rider you have to take the same action as your mount, in this case a charge attack, which would result in the above sequence.
Unless there was a very recent change, there is nothing that states that. You and your mount have a separate pool of actions. Normally you are limited to a single melee attack while mounted and moving more than 5 feet, but the Mounted Skirmisher feat would allow you to full attack even if your mount is charging, and you've always been able to full attack with a ranged weapon from the back of a charging mount, though there may be penalties associated due to movement.
| Wind Chime |
So with mounted skirmisher, Spirited Charge, Mammoth Rider you could have a huger tiger pounce and your full attack x 3 as long as you only move as far as the tigers movement. To get this to work you need lunge (15ft reach) to be attacking at the same time. If you accept the FAQ as can then you can only get the x3 on the first hit but that should still be enough to obliterate anything with the same cr.
Michael Sayre
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So with mounted skirmisher, Spirited Charge, Mammoth Rider you could have a huger tiger pounce and your full attack x 3 as long as you only move as far as the tigers movement. To get this to work you need lunge (15ft reach) to be attacking at the same time. If you accept the FAQ as can then you can only get the x3 on the first hit but that should still be enough to obliterate anything with the same cr.
That's correct. Only the first attack in the sequence would actually have the charging benefits, but as long as that first hit connects, any iteratives should just be mop up anyways. You're tripling your lance damage, static bonuses, and your STR plus 1/2 of your mounts (which for a huge creature is probably pretty close to equaling your full bonus) once you hit your 8th level in the PrC. If you're smart, you'll just go ahead and give up your shield to two-hand that lance for STR x1.5 and Two-handed Power Attack bonuses.
| mdt |
It does get pretty sick, I had a Halfling who rode a Large Panther as a mount, and with mounted skirmisher, spirited charge, and the cat's pouncing (plus the Amulet of MF I put on him), it was a VERY nasty thing. I only got one massive hit with the lance each time, but I did a bunch of damage with the cat involved.