Super corner case time:
If I have an Aasimar Oracle of Metal with...
You gain a pair of gleaming feathered wings that grant a fly speed of 30 feet (average maneuverability) if wearing light armor or unencumbered, or 20 feet (poor maneuverability) with a medium or heavy load or medium or heavy armor. Fly is a class skill for you.
And Armor Mastery...
You become more maneuverable while wearing armor. You can move at your normal speed in medium armor that is made of metal. This does not grant proficiency in armor. At 5th level, whenever you are wearing metal armor, you reduce the armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of 0) and increase the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed by your armor by 1. At 10th level, and again at 15th level, these bonuses increase by 1.
Who is wearing Mithral Full Plate...
...Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light.
What is my flight speed?
Is it 20 feet with poor maneuverability for Heavy/Medium armor?
Or is it 30 feet with average maneuverability for heavy armor, treated as medium, in which I move at normal speed?
My head hurts.
20 feet, as Angel Wings is not normal armor encumberment, but a specific case.
If your GM allows it, you could go for mithral celestial plate, which counts as light armor.
Looking at the first part, the Wings allow the PC to fly at a rate of 30 feet (with average maneuverability) while wearing light armor or unencumbered. This is then adjusted to 20 feet (with poor maneuverability) when the PC wears Medium or Heavy armor, or carries a Medium or Heavy load.
The Armor Mastery ability allows the PC to be able to move their normal rate of speed in Medium Armor (remember that this does not grant Armor Proficiency, meaning you will need Proficiency feats in order to properly wear the armors). Mithral makes Heavy Armor become Medium Armor, the armor benefitting from Armor Mastery.
So here's what happens:
PC with Heavy Mithral Armor (assuming respective proficiency feats are applied) has Wings. PC can move the normal speed of 30 Feet on foot (and if you had the Endurance feat, you could sleep in this armor as well), but since they are wearing a Medium (or technically Heavy) armor, their Fly Speed, instead of it being the 30 Feet/Average, turns to 20 Feet/Poor, since the Angel Wings ability adjusts regardless of a character's capability to move.
20 feet, as Angel Wings is not normal armor encumberment, but a specific case.
If your GM allows it, you could go for mithral celestial plate, which counts as light armor.
So I assume Mithral Chainmail (or other medium armor) would also qualify for a Fly speed of 30, since it explicitly counts as light armor?
Also, to clear up the proficiencies, the Aasimar Oracle also has Skill At Arms, and is thus proficient with Heavy Armor.
Yeah, that would work too. I assumed you'd prefer to keep platemail though. :P
Personally, in my own game, I'd base your fly speed on your actual movement encumbrance. I'm pretty sure that's the intent, and I don't see anything broken about it. It's probably worth discussing it with your GM, unless you're playing in the Pathfinder Society.
Yeah, that would work too. I assumed you'd prefer to keep platemail though. :P
Personally, in my own game, I'd base your fly speed on your actual movement encumbrance. I'm pretty sure that's the intent, and I don't see anything broken about it. It's probably worth discussing it with your GM, unless you're playing in the Pathfinder Society.
I am.
Appreciate the replies, though. Thanks!
Yeah, that would work too. I assumed you'd prefer to keep platemail though. :P
Personally, in my own game, I'd base your fly speed on your actual movement encumbrance. I'm pretty sure that's the intent, and I don't see anything broken about it. It's probably worth discussing it with your GM, unless you're playing in the Pathfinder Society.
I am.
Appreciate the replies, though. Thanks!
Hmm...this thread got the opposite response (substituting a Fighter's Armor Training for the Oracle's Armor Mastery, which are functionally identical).