blackbloodtroll
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Can enemies or allies pass though a Moonlight Bridge(created by the Oracle's Revelation), or is it impassable like a Wall of Force?
See the Revelation here:
You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.
| cwslyclgh |
No on the attacks... the second is more open to debate (it says treat it as a wall of force if attacked, indicating that it might not be so treated in other cases)... but in my home game I would rule that it blocks incorporeal and ethereal creatures from moving through it if it came up. (and yes I realize that this means if the oracle is in a 10 foot wide passage or room it could set one end on the ground and have it stretch straight up, effectively creating a narrow wall of force).
| cwslyclgh |
Would the bottom of a force cage trigger the pressure plate?
I don't think it (the bridge or the force cage for that matter) would trigger the pressure plate. and I don't think walls of force and such effect (like the bridge) have any weight per sae (in that while they obviously have mass, being solid objects, the do not put any pressure onto objects around them (ei. they are not subject to gravity).
| cwslyclgh |
From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level.
I'd say yes (and even mentioned this above: "and yes I realize that this means if the oracle is in a 10 foot wide passage or room it could set one end on the ground and have it stretch straight up, effectively creating a narrow wall of force")
Starglim
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Can enemies or allies pass though a Moonlight Bridge(created by the Oracle's Revelation), or is it impassable like a Wall of Force?
See the Revelation here:
** spoiler omitted **
If the bridge is attacked (that is, for the purpose of determining what can target and damage it) or if anyone walks across the bridge (steps onto one end of it), treat it as a wall of force. For all other purposes, it is made of moonlight.
Creatures can move through it freely in any other path than from one end to the other. It doesn't block attacks, line of effect or damaging emanations such as heat.
It has no weight and doesn't exert pressure on the ground, even if someone is walking on it, so it would bypass a pressure plate.
blackbloodtroll
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If the bridge is attacked (that is, for the purpose of determining what can target and damage it) or if anyone walks across the bridge (steps onto one end of it), treat it as a wall of force. For all other purposes, it is made of moonlight.Creatures can move through it freely in any other path than from one end to the other. It doesn't block attacks, line of effect or damaging emanations such as heat.
It has no weight and doesn't exert pressure on the ground, even if someone is walking on it, so it would bypass a pressure plate.
If this is true, then can I walk through it, or attack through it?
Can I choose to simply fall through it? Can I choose who else can fall through it?
Does it have a weight limit?
If you can attack through it, how can you attack the bridge?
Is that not the same as attacking the darkness?
If I drop an object on the Bridge, does it simply fall through?
Can a creature reach up, and drag me through the bridge?
Starglim
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Starglim wrote:
If the bridge is attacked (that is, for the purpose of determining what can target and damage it) or if anyone walks across the bridge (steps onto one end of it), treat it as a wall of force. For all other purposes, it is made of moonlight.Creatures can move through it freely in any other path than from one end to the other. It doesn't block attacks, line of effect or damaging emanations such as heat.
It has no weight and doesn't exert pressure on the ground, even if someone is walking on it, so it would bypass a pressure plate.
If this is true, then can I walk through it, or attack through it?
Can I choose to simply fall through it?
You, the oracle, can move around the side of the bridge and pass through it, as any creature can. You can choose to step off it.
If a creature is crossing the bridge, the bridge supports its weight. The creature can move back and forth, jump up and down, drag an object (as long as it doesn't let go), fall prone, and so on, as long as it generally interacts with the bridge as ground.
If a creature is not crossing the bridge, it passes through.
Can I choose who else can fall through it?
In fact, you can.
Step onto the bridge and move along it to its last square. Ready an action. When your enemy moves 10 feet onto the bridge, you move, completing your crossing. The bridge disappears.
Does it have a weight limit?
Neither the revelation nor wall of force mentions one. If a creature does more than 40 points of damage by stepping on the bridge, it might weaken and eventually break.
If you can attack through it, how can you attack the bridge?
Is that not the same as attacking the darkness?
If you target the bridge, you can try to damage or otherwise affect it. If you don't target it, it's not there.
If I drop an object on the Bridge, does it simply fall through?
I'd say so.
Can a creature reach up, and drag me through the bridge?
No, but it can drag you to prone.
blackbloodtroll
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So, I can stand on the Bridge above a creature, and drop heavy objects, or decide that while in the middle of the Bridge, to just fall through?
Can I reach down, and drag a creature up?
Can I disallow another creature from making use of the Bridge, without moving?
Does it increase the light level?
Is it a "living creatures only" that can make use of the Bridge?
Do Intelligent items fall through?
Can other creatures choose to fall through?
Note: By "through", I do not mean "around".
Starglim
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So, I can stand on the Bridge above a creature, and drop heavy objects,
Yes
or decide that while in the middle of the Bridge, to just fall through?
No
Can I reach down, and drag a creature up?
edit: If you can attack through the bridge, you can grapple through it. If you lift a creature up above the bridge, I suppose for consistency I would have to say it still hasn't stepped onto the bridge and will fall through if you release it.
Can I disallow another creature from making use of the Bridge, without moving?
While the bridge exists, it has the same effects on any creature.
Does it increase the light level?
Not well established. If you summon moonlight, I presume moonlight appears and creates dim light.
Is it a "living creatures only" that can make use of the Bridge?
Undead and constructs can cross a bridge, as can mindless, blind, confused, etc. creatures of any type.
Do Intelligent items fall through?
Yes, unless they walked onto the bridge by themselves, which is possible.
Can other creatures choose to fall through?
Note: By "through", I do not mean "around".
Nobody can choose to fall through.
| Quantum Steve |
Starglim, I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic, but your rulings seem completely arbitrary.
Also, you say:
If the bridge is attacked (that is, for the purpose of determining what can target and damage it) or if anyone walks across the bridge (steps onto one end of it), treat it as a wall of force. For all other purposes, it is made of moonlight.
but, that's not what the revelation says. It says if the bridge is attacked it's treated as a Wall of Force, but it says nothing about treating the bride as a Wall of Force if you walk across it.
| maofeng |
*bump* --I am also very interested in a ruling on this. What we have here so far are two interested players, and two DMs with opposite opinions. Please help! I love this ability, and I would also *dearly* love some clarification--I want to be able to use this as creatively as possible to overcome challenges, and that's just not possible without more detail.
Thank you, Paizo!
| OldCranky |
*bump* again, but I doubt it will help...
Starglim has added extra text of his own to the spell description, without making it clear which is the actual text and which is opinion. This is a bit misleading. The line For all other purposes, it is made of moonlight simply isn't there.
The full text is just this:
Moonlight Bridge (Su):
You summon a bridge of shimmering moonlight. The 10-foot-wide span touches the ground at a point adjacent to your position. From this point it can extend in any direction for 10 feet per oracle level. The path persists until you have crossed over the bridge or for 24 hours, whichever is shorter. You may summon a moonlight bridge a number of times per day equal to your Charisma bonus. Should the bridge be attacked, treat it as a wall of force.
There is absolutely no mention of things passing through it. The Moonlight description appears to be just a description and fluff, rather than anything to do with mechanics.
So it would seem like it is to be treated as a force effect for all relevant circumstances, with the special duration (24 hours or until the Oracle 'crosses' it, whichever is shorter).
Thus the first set of rulings by cwslyclgh seem the most compelling.
James Risner
Owner - D20 Hobbies
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Bumpety Bumper.
This is a prime example of an ability that requires a great deal of GM adjudication. There is no developer comments yet, and I doubt we will ever get anything like an FAQ on this.
So expect table variance, and don't expect to take something like this thread to a GM to sway his opinion.