Bloodlines for a Razmiran Priest Archetype Sorc


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I'm building a Sorcerer for an upcoming campaign and I'm using the Razmiran Priest archetype. Essentially the character was involved in a cult as a child and is good at pretending to be a cleric. What type of bloodline(s) would be good for this character?


celestial for healing ability would fit.


From the Inner Sea Magic (a great book) there is the Razmiran Priest archetype. You could couple that with Celestial.

You could also work towards the Razmiran Priest prestige class from Paths of Prestige (which is an ok book, but not nearly as good as Inner Sea Magic).

But how cleric-y do you want to get? I mean, you're trying to fake being a cleric. You might consider the spells Infernal Healing to fake curative magics, and maybe go with something with a lot of showmanship, such as the Maestro Bloodline combined with the Razimiran priest archetype.


Cass_Ponderovian wrote:
I'm building a Sorcerer for an upcoming campaign and I'm using the Razmiran Priest archetype. Essentially the character was involved in a cult as a child and is good at pretending to be a cleric. What type of bloodline(s) would be good for this character?

Well I see either Serpent or Rakshasa doing this quite well.

You could go with human (more spells), or with halfling/half-elf (picking up say the silver tongue via favored class rather than rakshasa bloodline).

-James


Here is a rather off the wall sample build:

HOLY ROLLER (Taldan)
(Taldan) Male Sorcerer 5
Init +0; Senses Perception -1, Low-light Vision
==DEFENSE==
AC 17, touch 11, flat-footed 17 (+5 armor, +1 natural armor, +1 deflection)
hp 35 (5d6+10)
SR 0
Fort +4, Ref +2, Will +4
Armor Mithral Chain Shirt +1, Light
Defensive Abilities Fascinate (PFUM 67)
==OFFENSE==
Spd 30 ft/x4
Melee Light Mace +3 (1d6+1) 20/x2
Special Attacks Beguiling Voice (PFUM 67)
==STATISTICS==
Str 13, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 20
BAB +2, CMB +3, CMD +14
Feats Arcane Armor Training (PFCR 118), Armor Proficiency (LIGHT) (PFCR 118), False Casting (PFCaS: ISM 10), False Focus (PFCaS: ISM 10), Magical Aptitude (PFCR 130)
Skills Bluff +13, Knowledge (religion) +6, Perform (oratory) +10, Sleight of Hand +1, Spellcraft +11, Use Magic Device +15
Traits Acolyte of Razmir (Regional: Razmiran) (PFCo: ISP 18), Sacred Touch (Faith) (PFAPG 329)
Languages Celestial, Common
Eq'd Magic Headband of Alluring Charisma +2, Amulet of Natural Armor +1, Ring of Protection +1 (R), Cloak of Resistance +1

Spells to taste.

From here he could go into Razmiran priest.


I would go with Fey [Sylvan] and grab the Animal Companion. Take Boon Companion Feat and you have a fighting machine as well as being a full caster.
You'll out shine the rest of the party!


This exact topic was recently in another thread: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p789?Bloodline-suggestions-for-Razmiran-Priest #1

Martyred seemed to be consensus best bet,
Undead is also a good one if you want to emulate an EVIL cleric (or Negative Energy neutral one).
Celestial/Empyreal is a good one for the Cure Ray/Channel Energy,
and Rakshasa is good for impersonating other casters, via it's Arcana.
(you can choose to seem like you're casting Cleric spells).


stuart haffenden wrote:

I would go with Fey [Sylvan] and grab the Animal Companion. Take Boon Companion Feat and you have a fighting machine as well as being a full caster.

You'll out shine the rest of the party!

The OP /did/ write more than just 'I'm building a Sorceror', you know ;-P

From the rest of his post, I assume he has some other concerns besides 'outshining the rest of the party'.
(is that how all of your gaming friends build characters? how does that turn out? "oh shoot, you're a Sylvan Sorceror TOO!?" )


@Tangaroa: While impressive that you included the entire standard stat-block format and statistics, I can't find the crucial bit that the OP was originally asking about: the Sorceror BLOODLINE which you don't specify for your otherwise over-specified build...??? I mean, it's great that you included stats for Light Mace and Mithril Chain Shirt Armor, but it's just not really speaking to the actual thread topic... Were you including a build with the Celestial BL you previously mentioned in another post? Does that build include levels of this Prestige Class you mentioned? It just seems a bit... TO MUCH INFORMATION. Simply listing any Feats (and Sources) you think would be especially appropriate would probably be more useful than posting what the CMD of your specific build is.


Quandary wrote:


Martyred seemed to be consensus best bet,

Not sure what the appeal of martyred is, care to share?

-James


Since Razmir is a wizard pretending to be a god, why not have the arcane bloodline. The archetype states that you are altered by him, so it might be appropriate. You could also use the sage blooded archetype (since it does not overlap with the Razmir priest) to use intellect as your casting stat. Seems thematically appropriate since Razmir is using his intellect to fake godhood.


Martyred's Class Skill Perform:Oratory seems appropriate.
It's Bonus Spells Known and other powers have alot of condition-removal and group buffs like a cleric has, often using morale or profane bonuses. The Temp HP healing effect seems appropo to a Razmiran Priest, and the Capstone's effect even partially simulates the Hallow spell.
Check the description of the top level spell, Overwhelming presence:

Quote:
A creature that fails a save against this spell falls to the ground and prostrates itself before you, believing it bows before a divine presence.

The other bloodlines may do other things better, it all comes down to what aspect is most important to the OP...


lemeres wrote:
Since Razmir is a wizard pretending to be a god, why not have the arcane bloodline. The archetype states that you are altered by him, so it might be appropriate. You could also use the sage blooded archetype (since it does not overlap with the Razmir priest) to use intellect as your casting stat. Seems thematically appropriate since Razmir is using his intellect to fake godhood.

The OP didn't actually state that their character was/is a member of the Cult of RAZMIR, or that they are even playing in the Golarion game world which includes Razmir. Perhaps that is true, or perhaps they are just using the Archetype to enable their own campaign-dependent ideas, involving growing up in an un-named cult (perhaps a real divine-magic cult) and pretending to be a cleric. For true Razmiran-ites themselves, sure, any Bloodline can work, and Arcane could be a good one.


Still, I assume that the cult is a cult of personality, rather than to some shadowy evil outsider, so it could work. Even if Razmir is not a part of it, you must admit that he makes a good example for the type of person to set up a cult filled with false clerics. I mean, there are all sorts of magical entities out there waiting to entice mortals with promises of power, so why use individuals that have magical power already?

I do like the idea of using it as a general example of fake clerics though. I remember the bit about clerics to a fallen demon lord going insane (more than usual at least), and this would be a good way for them to delude themselves into believing that they are worshiping anything other than an empty shell. Having people with abyssal or infernal bloodlines could further their charade, using those with bloodlines tainted by their previous dark rituals. It might be a good choice thematically, since the phrase "in a cult as a child" typically does not imply Sunday School hymns to a lawful good deity, now does it? That would provide an interesting chance to do the "more than you were born into" type of character arch.


sure, if the OP was really talking about Razmirans, or an equivalent... i just wasn't assuming that, going just from his post.
it could just as easily be a REAL cult worshipping a REAL god, that although he grew up in it, he knows he doesn't really want to worship this god/dess to the full extent of binding his soul to them and channeling their powers (etc)... so having his own sorcerous powers emerge, and be able to use them in some way to make most people think that maybe he IS a cleric of this god, could be a valid idea.
if he was involved with Razmir or the equivalent, he would have support from colleagues/superiors in maintaining the illusion, but if that's not the case, then it all depends on him.

i think there is some feat that works similarly to rakshasa's ability to make it harder to correctly ID spells you cast, that would help with that aspect. although i don't think that per RAW that you can discern an arcane spellcasting from a divine, you just ID the spell itself (which could be on both lists).

of course, he doesn't have to go the Sorceror/Razmiran Priest PrC route at all, he could go Oracle, or be a Cleric/Druid of some other god, which he secretly worshipped as a child... not that I'm trying to suggest the original idea is bad, but 'showing magical powers to seem like a cleric of a cult' can be accomplished in different ways.


Quandary wrote:

Martyred's Class Skill Perform:Oratory seems appropriate.

It's Bonus Spells Known and other powers have alot of condition-removal and group buffs like a cleric has, often using morale or profane bonuses. The Temp HP healing effect seems appropo to a Razmiran Priest, and the Capstone's effect even partially simulates the Hallow spell.
Check the description of the top level spell, Overwhelming presence:
Quote:
A creature that fails a save against this spell falls to the ground and prostrates itself before you, believing it bows before a divine presence.
The other bloodlines may do other things better, it all comes down to what aspect is most important to the OP...

The archetype already has perform as a class skill, so the bloodline does nothing there.

The bonus spells do not have much condition-removal for the archetype as you are just looking at Joyful rapture.. which, while fun, is weak for a 7th level spell. Blessing of Fervor is a nice cleric spell, but doesn't automatically fit the theme of Razmiran Priest.

I also don't see the description of the bloodline as really fitting in with the cult. If the OP is allowed to take the archetype without that, then that's his business with his DM.

-James


Quandary wrote:
Simply listing any Feats (and Sources) you think would be especially appropriate would probably be more useful than posting what the CMD of your specific build is.

See my first post. The sample build was Maestro bloodline, with the Razmiran archetype applied. The relevant feats are arcane armor training (to wear armor), false focus and false casting (to use a divine focus mask your casting as cleric). The sources were listed in the two books I posted above; although I didn't call out the feats specifically in that post, they are in those books and abbreviated in the build. The build is setup to take levels of the Razmiran prestige class, although none were applied.

Contrite Grumpiness:
My apologies if my posts don't live up to the exacting standards of this board. I will refer from making so many in the future.


Tangaroa wrote:
The build is setup to take levels of the Razmiran prestige class, although none were applied.

I think what you, and others in this thread, are missing is that the OP is talking about the Archetype and not the PrC!

I agree that Maestro makes sense, as does deceiver bloodlines (serpent and rakshasa come to mind) and I also agree with another poster that Arcane makes sense.

I would, for mechanical reasons, avoid sage in that you want a high CHA to UMD divine items.

Also to be considered are that many of the Razmirans can be construed as thugs, so even taking a blasting sorc build could work and be pulled off as 'divine judgement' even if the spells are decidedly arcane in typical nature (i.e. fireball). Those that survive are less likely to be willing to speak up as to the nature of the fireball throwing lunatic...

-James


I actually went with a Sylvan Bloodline sorcerer for the archetype and took a one level dip into Oracle so I had the divine part of the flavor covered. To synergize with the Sylvan Bloodline I chose the Nature Mystery and just took the revelation that allows me to use my Cha instead of my dex for AC...

Grand Lodge

Masterwork Transformation and Fabricate are a must.

Both work wonderfully with False Focus.

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