Change of class after an Atonement spell


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Hi all, I'm currently running a party though the Kingmaker adventure path, and, without trying to spoil it for anyone there's a particular NPC who's become a party favourite who was a 'fallen from grace' type character.

As part of a story event that revolved around this NPC and a party member he was subject to the effects of an Atonement spell upon restoring his alignment to that required by his class and his god chose to forgive his previous transgressions in light of current acts and service.

However, during the course of his fall (all pre-campaign) he picked up a few levels of a class which is now similarly barred to him due to alignment restrictions and thus are effectively 'dead levels'. A PC wishes to acquire this character as a cohort now and I'm curious if there's any rules legal way of retraining those dead levels, or if he will, unfortunately, be stuck with them for the rest of his career.

Grand Lodge

What class?

What alignment?


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

What class?

What alignment?

The classes in question are paladin and barbarian, with the alignment shift being from CN, back to LG

Grand Lodge

Ouch.

Grand Lodge

Balfuset wrote:


However, during the course of his fall (all pre-campaign) he picked up a few levels of a class which is now similarly barred to him due to alignment restrictions and thus are effectively 'dead levels'. A PC wishes to acquire this character as a cohort now and I'm curious if there's any rules legal way of retraining those dead levels, or if he will, unfortunately, be stuck with them for the rest of his career.

It's all up to you as a GM. You want to houserule a retraining or rebuild procedure, I'm sure that Jason won't come down banging on your door if you do so. I do believe that one of the 3.5 books had some material on ways to do so DMG2, I think.


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LazarX wrote:
Balfuset wrote:


However, during the course of his fall (all pre-campaign) he picked up a few levels of a class which is now similarly barred to him due to alignment restrictions and thus are effectively 'dead levels'. A PC wishes to acquire this character as a cohort now and I'm curious if there's any rules legal way of retraining those dead levels, or if he will, unfortunately, be stuck with them for the rest of his career.
It's all up to you as a GM. You want to houserule a retraining or rebuild procedure, I'm sure that Jason won't come down banging on your door if you do so. I do believe that one of the 3.5 books had some material on ways to do so DMG2, I think.

True enough, I suppose. I just wanted to know if there was some RAW way of doing so just in case it causes contention among my players, given that it's a pre-established NPC. I have thematic ways of doing it, and even 'rules-lite' explanations, given it was effectively forgiveness by his diety directly rather than a spell cast by a cleric, including an odd implementation of the Miracle spell.

I guess at the end of the day though it really does come down to what I as the GM feel comfortable doing, which means I'll probably allow a 're-spec' for reasons of character, rather than for pure statisitcal gain.

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