Drugs and poisons


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So I know that Goblinworks will need to pursue some kind of age rating that permits youngsters to play but the tabletop game does have drugs and poisons, so what's the feeling on whether we'd be able to manufacture these for use?

Goblin Squad Member

Drugs are probably beyond the target age range for the game, so are probably out. If they exist they will need significant benefits and drawbacks to make them believable.

Poisons I thing would be pretty easy to implement, and if they don't come at launch they will almost certainly come when implementation of assassination as a mechanically supported feature is added.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

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There is something really wrong with the concept that drugs are out due to "target age bracket" while poisons are ok. The same thing as sex is bad, but massive violence is ok.

However, I hope they have mechanics for food, drink, alcohol, pesh (drugs), and many different types of poisons. These things exists in the Pathfinder RPG and there are even gods that have these things as profiles. The game also has an alignment system that should allow for a more mature audience.

Goblin Squad Member

It would be a HUGE plus for this game. Craftable drugs? Corner the drug market??

It needs to come with alignment shifts and drawbacks (long debuffs) but I say put them in!

Goblin Squad Member

Complain about the culture and the ESRB.

Poison is an easy implementation that should make it through the ESRB easily.

Goblin Squad Member

Hark wrote:

Complain about the culture and the ESRB.

Poison is an easy implementation that should make it through the ESRB easily.

Especially if they're natural poisons: Spider venom, Basilisk venom, Black Lotus...

All craftable and wonders of mother nature.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

It's been stated that no ESRB rating is desired or will be acquired. I'm pretty sure that's part of what's making it harder to get mainstream investors involved...


I hope that we can manufacture drugs, simply because it features in the core rulebook. They should be short-term buffs that give you medium/long-term drawbacks.

And my associates and I shall sell them. In dark corners of pubs. In alleyways. And freely in Shadow-Haven.

Goblin Squad Member

From Targeted ESRB Rating?:

Ryan Dancey wrote:
Until and unless we decide that we need to make a retail product, and get pushback that such product must be ESRB rated (or PEGI rated in Europe), and we decide that it's worth the hassle to comply, we'll probably sidestep it.
Vic Wertz wrote:
ESRB rating or not, Paizo will not be approving content that would be inappropriate for the average 13-year-old.

Goblin Squad Member

From that same thread:

Vic Wertz wrote:

What you can assume is that the visual depictions of violence and sexuality, among other things, will be no more explicit that the illustrations you currently find in Paizo's own Pathfinder books, which we believe are acceptable to market to an audience ages 13 and up.

If it's in the books, it's allowed in the game.

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Any form of narcotics or substances in Pathfinder could circumvent ESRB by naming them toxins or even avoid looking shady completely by having it simply seem like a herb or resource used in medicine that has strange side effects. It's all in how the material presents itself.


actually I am more worried that magic curse items like girdle of sex change will not be in the game because it may seem like having a sex change is ok and in most societies it is not. I do not want to make this into a large issue so i will stop there.


Well, according to the Wikipedia (I know, I know) the "Use of Drugs" descriptor can be found on Teen rated games. Poison I don't think is too much of a concern - WoW bears a teen rating and features a fully functional poisoning system for the rogue class, which at one point did include the creation of such as well.

Goblin Squad Member

If alcohol, tobacco, and poison don't all make it into this game, I will be HIGHLY disappointed. That being said I am 99.99% sure they will. I just hope there is enough point to them that tobacco farms, vineyards, and breweries will be viable businesses.

Perhaps some form of "morale" feature.

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