Can you Multiclass Ninja and Thief?

[Baronjett]

Thanks!

[Some Random Dood]

No, same goes for cavalier and samurai.

[Patrick Harris @ SD]

Ultimate Combat, Page 8 wrote:

Alternate Classes

These are standalone classes whose basic ideas are very close to established base classes, yet whose required alterations would be too expansive for an archetype. In this case, that’s the samurai and the ninja—specifically Asian-themed classes that have long and unique histories, as well as great cultural cachet, but which are similar in concept to the established cavalier and rogue, respectively. An alternate class operates exactly as a base class, save that a character who takes a level in an alternate class can never take a level in its associated class—a samurai cannot also be a cavalier, and vice versa. The antipaladin from Advanced Player’s Guide is also an alternate class.

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Nope, since there's no such thing in PF as a "Thief" class. There are Rogues, but as the other have said, you can't multiclass into the same class you already are. (Had a ninja 2/rogue 1 at a con last month that I had to explain this too, he really wanted trapfinding, I suggested urban ranger as being a good dip for him)

[Dust Raven]

Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue class rather than a separate class unto itself. Why they chose to create an "alternate class" category is beyond me. But ultimately, no you cannot take levels in both ninja and rogue as they are effectively the same class.

[sveden]

Dust Raven wrote:

Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue class

No.

Ninja=rogue

Samurai=cavalier

[Dust Raven]

sveden wrote:

Dust Raven wrote:

Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue class

No.

Ninja=rogue

Samurai=cavalier

Oops, yes. I forgot to add an additional parenthetical statement.

"Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue (or cavalier in the case of samurai) class rather than a separate class unto itself."

Regardless it's still beyond me why they aren't just archetypes.

[Krulack]

Since ninja are rogues; and ninja can take rogue talents; can my ninja take the extra rogue talent feat for an extra ninja talent (vanishing) at third level?

[Nebten]

No because ninjas don't get rogue talents, they get ninja tricks. At 3rd level they get: No trace +1, sneak attack +2d6

If it makes you feel any better, at 2nd level a ninja can take Vanishing for his Ninja Trick.

[Krulack]

My second level ninja just took the ninja talent called "Rogue Talent" and chose the "Finesse Rogue" talent. I am hoping this at least (in addition to its other awesomeness) would open up the extra Rogue talent feat as feat option.

[Dylos]

Krulack wrote:

My second level ninja just took the ninja talent called "Rogue Talent" and chose the "Finesse Rogue" talent. I am hoping this at least (in addition to its other awesomeness) would open up the extra Rogue talent feat as feat option.

Unfortunately it does not, as you still lack the prerequisite: Rogue talent class feature. You may have a Ninja Trick called Rogue Talent: Finesse Rogue, but it's not the rogue talent class feature, and alas there is no Extra Ninja Trick feat.

[Krulack]

Thanks. I can see the logic in that. Plenty of other awesome stuff to choose from. :)

[kinevon]

Dust Raven wrote:

sveden wrote:

Dust Raven wrote:

Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue class

No.

Ninja=rogue

Samurai=cavalier

Oops, yes. I forgot to add an additional parenthetical statement.

"Ninja (and samurai) is essentially a archetype of the rogue (or cavalier in the case of samurai) class rather than a separate class unto itself."

Regardless it's still beyond me why they aren't just archetypes.

Essentially, they ARE archetypes, but because they change so much, it was decided to do a full stat workout on them, instead of just the standard archetype: substitute X for Y, yada, yada.