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Could a race that has the human subtype have access to the imperious sorcerer bloodline?
In my opinion they could. I am allowing it for my aasimar with the scion of humanity trait, in my campaign.
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I asked a similar question a while ago and the answer seems to be "No," at least in the instance of a half-elf. The thing is that despite their human roots they're still considered a separate race. I don't know if the Scion of Humanity trait for aasimars or the Adopted trait for everyone else would allow it, but from what I've been told here on the boards it seems that if you want to play an Imperious Sorcerer, just play a human.
The race guide states that any race can take any racial class option, at the GM's discretion.
Umbral Reaver wrote: The race guide states that any race can take any racial class option, at the GM's discretion. As a DM, I encourage others to go by this guideline with some exceptions like the Cavern Sniper archetype.
The Racial Heritage feat allows you to take a class archetype of the selected race and the benefits of Elf-blood, Orc-blood, Ogre-blood, and all other "half-breed" features are worded exactly the same. The only thing different is that Racial Heritage includes a non-exhaustive list of examples. Among those allowed by R.H. are feats and traits so it pretty much blows out of the water the idea that "effects related to race" is limited to buffs/debuffs; feats and traits are, indeed, effects related to race therefore racial class archetypes are the same category.
Furthermore, if you look in the Advanced Race Guide under the example RP builds for the core races, you'll find that Elf-blood and Orc-blood aren't even listed as racial abilities. They're covered entirely by Humanoid(Human, Elf/Orc). Therefore, by RAW, to qualify for a racial archetype, you simply need the appropriate racial subtypes. An Aasimar with Scion of Humanity gains, in addition to their Outsider racial type, Humanoid(human) so they'd qualify for any human-restricted feats, human class archetypes, etc. A Half-Elf qualifies for not only half-elf archetypes but also human and elf archetypes. A human with Racial Heritage(elf) also qualifies as a Half-Elf would. The idea that "effects related to race" is limited to "spell effects" is a myth born of pedantry.
Does that mean you can mix and match racial favored class bonuses as you see fit?
So long as you meet the prereqs. So a half-elf could take racial bonuses for humanoid(human), humanoid(elf), or humanoid(human, elf).
This is a strange case here. The core theme of the sorcerer is that their bloodline is an indication of some heritage from their past; sorcerers with the Fey bloodline have a fey creature somewhere in their heritage, sorcerers with the draconic bloodline have a dragon somewhere in their family's history, and so forth. The idea that you have to be a certain race to take a bloodline seems to fly in the face of this core concept. Anyone should be able to take the Imperious bloodline to represent a great human leader in their heritage, just like any sorcerer can take any bloodline to begin with.
And that is why I have removed most racial restrictions from the archetypes presented in the ARG, like I said earlier.
I personally allow the halves to take everything except favored class bonuses and things that realy on abilities they don't have.
I could see a valid reasoning for the racial restriction for the archetype because it doesn't just represent a great human in your history but the combination of a great human ancestry and being firmly rooted in humanity. Humans aren't innately magical like elves, fey, dragons, or any of the other sorcerer bloodlines. Having a bloodline drawing power from, essentially, an ubermensch, won't work if that bloodline is significantly diluted as other bloodlines tend to be. It only takes a little tiny smidgen of dragon heritage to be a draconic sorc but it takes a lot more Superhuman heritage to use 'Humanity' as the source of your sorcerer magic. So, whereas being a Draconic Sorc doesn't qualify you as a Dragon (you couldn't take feats restricted to dragons), being half-human as a hybrid race or being an Aasimar with Scion actually gives you humanoid(human) and that's sufficient human heritage to qualify you. But just having a human ancestor, even a powerful one, doesn't amount to much if it's drowned out by some other heritage.
I hate humanity in real life, no reason to make them feel awesome in D&D when I know they aren't.
Icyshadow wrote: I hate humanity in real life, no reason to make them feel awesome in D&D when I know they aren't. It's better to hate individual people than all of humanity. If you hate humanity, you hate everything it encompasses; morality, compassion, and intelligence alongside bigotry, greed, and hatred.
The bigotry, greed and hatred heavily outweigh the morality, compassion and intelligence.
See it enough many times, and you start to turn cynical. I'll be waiting for you to see it as well.
Which weighs more: a pound of feathers or a pound of lead? There may be more volume of bigotry, greed, and hatred, but it doesn't outweigh the morality, compassion, and intelligence.
"It is sometimes deeply depressing to be a rebel,
knowing that we can never share most people's way of life, nor can they share ours.
Schooling stuffs the brains of our children with trivia.
The more trivia, the more their anxieties.
They indoctrinate the children to believe that the consequences are grave
when they fail to distinguish 'good' from 'evil', and agreement from disagreement.
What gross nonsense!
To escape the rubbish of all this so-called knowledge,
in the winter people run to the great feasts of lamb, pork, and ox,
and they climb high in the mountains to view the first signs of spring.
We are so different! Having no desire for the trivialities,
nor for their compensations, we are like infants not yet knowing how to laugh!
Ever wandering, and having no home to which we may return.
While most people are obsessed with superficialities, we feel empty.
While most people feel they know so much, we feel simple-minded.
While most people believe they live happily in the best of all possible worlds,
we are despaired to witness this world!
It is so painful to know that we will always be outsiders,
endlessly moving like the ocean, aimlessly blowing like the wind.
While we fear what others fear, we don't treasure what others treasure.
Our treasure is the Tao.
However, until it is shared, it will not be the universal Tao,
for we are part of them, and they are part of us."
From the Tao Te Ching.
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