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So, with UC, a lot of feats, monk-related, have requirements that read like, "BAB +9 or Monk level 9th."
What if you're, say... a Fighter 5 / Monk 4? Would you qualify? If not, why not? Why is it a Monk 9 could qualify, a Fighter 9 could qualify, yet a Fighter 5 / Monk 4 cannot?
To me, it seems like these feats should work like flurry: you count your monk level as if it is your BAB from your monk levels instead of the actual BAB.
But I am not clear if this is the case, so please hit FAQ.
A Fighter 5 / Monk 4 does not qualify as he does not meet either conditional. Add a Fighter level or 2 Monk levels, however, and you suddenly do. This is just an associated cost of playing a multiclass character.
Why does adding monk levels make my character worse at qualifying for monk feats?
Why does adding monk levels make my character worse at qualifying for monk feats?
For the same reason that taking Fighter levels makes you worse at obtaining Monk class features.
Why does adding monk levels make my character worse at qualifying for monk feats?
Who said they were monk feats? They are combat feats. Master of combat is the fighter...at least that is the logic I think the designers must have.
So, with UC, a lot of feats, monk-related, have requirements that read like, "BAB +9 or Monk level 9th."
What if you're, say... a Fighter 5 / Monk 4? Would you qualify? If not, why not? Why is it a Monk 9 could qualify, a Fighter 9 could qualify, yet a Fighter 5 / Monk 4 cannot?
To me, it seems like these feats should work like flurry: you count your monk level as if it is your BAB from your monk levels instead of the actual BAB.
But I am not clear if this is the case, so please hit FAQ.
You don't have BAB 9 which represents a certain level of martial combat mastery. You also are not a 9th level monk which represents level of skill for monks specifically.
It is just like how being fighter 2/rogue 2 does not equate to being a 4th level rogue for the purpose of a rogue based ability.
Rogue based abilities aren't written to require Rogue 4 or BAB +4.
The only reason these feats have the monk thing at all is because they didn't want monks to have to wait longer for them but at the same time had to deal with the "don't have full BAB" issue.
Just like with flurry, where they wanted monk to effectively be a full BAB class, but...figured waving it around in the monk's face was just as good as actually giving it to him.
So, is even the statement, "The only reason these feats have the monk thing at all is because they didn't want monks to have to wait longer for them" controversial, too? Or can people at least agree on that?
Yeah, I think Nu'Raahl actually hit it on the head: simplicity and brevity were probably deciding factors.
It is, unfortunately, clear cut that it does not work. However, I'm hitting FAQ in the hope that it will get an errata/clarification like "Flurry + Other BaB" (which was also clear cut) did. Can't see any reason it was restricted in the first place save the aforementioned brevity/simplicity, which isn't really an issue with the FAQ.
paizo also have the policy to encourage sigle classed characters.
They did, but since then they have come out with some great 'dip' archetypes - like Master of Many Styles - that seem to imply the opposite.
Rogue based abilities aren't written to require Rogue 4 or BAB +4.
The only reason these feats have the monk thing at all is because they didn't want monks to have to wait longer for them but at the same time had to deal with the "don't have full BAB" issue.
Just like with flurry, where they wanted monk to effectively be a full BAB class, but...figured waving it around in the monk's face was just as good as actually giving it to him.
So, is even the statement, "The only reason these feats have the monk thing at all is because they didn't want monks to have to wait longer for them" controversial, too? Or can people at least agree on that?
What rogue-based abilities are you thinking of?
Any feats intended for a class usually have a "class feature" requirement, and most combat feats have a BAB requirement. Class-based combat feats often have both, and some of them use level-dependent class features (e.g., 2d6 sneak attack).
It's not unique to monks, even though it might be more noticeable with them.
It's not unique to monks, even though it might be more noticeable with them.
Nothing is unique to monks.
However, I'm hitting FAQ in the hope that it will get an errata/clarification like "Flurry + Other BaB" (which was also clear cut) did. Can't see any reason it was restricted in the first place save the aforementioned brevity/simplicity, which isn't really an issue with the FAQ.
That's my thoughts. When core came out, flurry as written used only monk level for BAB, so multiclass monks got screwed. It was fixed in FAQ or errata. I am hoping the same happens here.
So, with UC, a lot of feats, monk-related, have requirements that read like, "BAB +9 or Monk level 9th."
What if you're, say... a Fighter 5 / Monk 4? Would you qualify? If not, why not? Why is it a Monk 9 could qualify, a Fighter 9 could qualify, yet a Fighter 5 / Monk 4 cannot?
To me, it seems like these feats should work like flurry: you count your monk level as if it is your BAB from your monk levels instead of the actual BAB.
But I am not clear if this is the case, so please hit FAQ.
If you have Flurry, you should count your Monk levels as full BAB. Thus yu can take Power attack as a level moink since you have flurry.
MoMS Monks must wait longer.