Lycanthrope Question

[eris]

In the Bestiary p.196 under "ability scores" it states that a lycanthrope gets +2 Str, +2 Con in hybrid and animal forms. However, in both of the examples provided the sample wererat/werewolf has a Dex two higher in hybrid form than in human form. Are lycanthropes supposed to get a +2 to all physical ability scores? I couldn't find anything in the errata.

[Flamehawke]

PRD wrote:

In addition to these adjustments to the base creature's stats, a lycanthrope's ability scores change when he assumes hybrid or animal form. In human form, the lycanthrope's ability scores are unchanged from the base creature's form. In animal and hybrid form, the lycanthrope's ability scores are the same as the base creature's or the base animal's, whichever ability score is higher.

The wolf which is the base animal has a Dex of 15 while the human has a dex of 13. Also if you look they used the wolf's con as it is a 15 compared to the human's 14.

While in hybrid or animal form you always use whichever ability score is higher (animal or human in this case).

[eris]

Thanks! I guess I read that other part but it didn't really make sense on the first glance so I think I filtered it out. I'm pretty sure I get it now.

[Flamehawke]

It is easy enough to miss. I was aware of it due to the fact I have lycanthropes as playable in my campaign world.

[Drothmal]

I have a similar question regarding if the +2STR/CON should be applied before or after the stat replacement

- The example given for werewolves (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/lycanthrope/we rewolf) says it's after

Base creature: Str 17, Dex 13, Con 14
Base Animal: Str 13, Dex 15, Con 15
Hybrid: Str 19, Dex 15, Con 17

So the hybrid takes the 15 from the base animal and adds +2CON

- The example given for weretigers adn werebears says it is before

Weretiger
Creature: Str 13, Dex 16, Con 12
Animal: Str 23, Dex 15, Con 17
Hybrid: Str 23, Dex 16, Con 17

Werebear
Creature: Str 16, Dex 14, Con 13
Animal:Str 21, Dex 13, Con 19
Hybrid:Str 21, Dex 14, Con 19

I'm not even sure how the stats for the wereboar came to be...

And if the +2STR/CON applies to the animal form, does that affect the score you are replacing the base creature's stats with?

Also, another question... How do you handle the bonus from level up? Can it be added to the replaced stat? (as in rounding up STR for any of the hybrid examples shown above)

[Defraeter]

wereboar: don't forget the base creature is a barbarian, so the stats include the rage...
you must remove effect of rage before calculation

[waiph]

looks like it is base-creature +2 for Str and Con, or simply a replacement with the base animal's stats.

[Fenris Ulfhamr]

There was a formula for discovering the stat hike in 3.5
I believe you found the difference between the base creature and base animal and added that number to physical stats. Werebears had a huge STR bonus (since a standard bear is much stronger than a standard human), like +8 I believe. A standard, across the board +2 STR and CON doesn't really speak to the different animal types that lycanthropes represent

[Flamehawke]

I've always ruled that it applies after you selected the more favorable physical ability scores. Then apply the +2 and have if a physical ability score becomes better in the base creature form then you use that instead.

But Waiph seems to have hit how they did it. If using the base creature you add the bonus, but if the base animal is higher then change nothing. Which just seems odd to me somewhat.

[Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus]

I always thought of the +2 to Str and Con was listed as a sort of minimum bonus while in hybrid or animal form.

[Milliken]

I'm still confused after reading these answers.

Here is my issue:
Afflicted Werewolf

Base Creature (Human)before any adjustments
St 10 Dx 16 Con 12 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 13

Is this then right with adjustments:

Humanoid Form

St 10 Dx 16 Con 12 Int 14 Wis 14 Cha 11

Hybrid/Animal Form

St 15 (wolf base is 13 then add a +2 bonus)
Dx 16
Con 17 (wolf base 15 then add a +2 bonus)
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 11

Also, I didn't see anything about alignment change, though I am a CG rogue, all the examples I've seen are CE. Any thoughts? I'd like to playout this affliction as I think a 5th lvl rogue/werewolf could be interesting.

[Joana]

I believe Pathfinder has eliminated the automatic alignment change that used to come with lycanthropy in 3.x.