Okay so me and my DM are having a little difference of opinion. He insists that reduction of armour check penalties takes effect after the penalty for non-proficency is taken into account, where as i am saying that it is before. Is either of us correct? or is it just as balanced one way as the other?
Hah, I wish. The non-proficient penalty is applied after the total ACP is determined. I haven't seen any text to state or imply that it's done with anything other than the total.
I don't see any difference.
The only penalty for non-proficiency is that the armor check penalty also applies to attack rolls. It doesn't change anything else.
Okay so me and my DM are having a little difference of opinion. He insists that reduction of armour check penalties takes effect after the penalty for non-proficency is taken into account, where as i am saying that it is before. Is either of us correct? or is it just as balanced one way as the other?
There is no extra reduction for non-proficiency, the only difference is that the acp also applies to attack rolls.
Unless the argument is as follows:
Wearing mithral full plate, but not proficient.
The normal check penalty (-6) is applied to attack rolls, but the reduced penalty (-3, reduced from -6 because of mithral) is applied to appropriate skill checks.
But if so, that is wrong. And I can't see how anyone would get that from the rules. Armor only ever has 1 armor check penalty at a time. For mithral full plate, that is -3.
