Dimensional Dervish. Corner case. Don't think RAW has an answer.


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Silver Crusade

There is never a need to get out your dictionary or your GPS to adjudicate Dimension Door!

We can work out that 'transporting from' is not 'transporting to'; they are the opposite.

When we realise that (which should be any minute now...) we also realise that the consequence of this is that the general 'conjuration spells rule', which applies to spells transporting to, therefore does not apply to (even conjuration) spells which transport from!

If the general conjuration rule applied to both 'to' and 'from', it wouldn't specify 'to', it would just apply to spells that 'transport', period!

Knowing that this general rule does not apply to DD, which transports 'from', we can happily transport ourselves into the air (without the DD spell knowing if we can fly!) and into mountains and over pits!


You can't just ignore words. The spell also uses the word location. Did you or did you not leave your location? If so how do we know that?

So once again I ask what is your location. You can't really say you left it, if you can't tell me what it is.


We know you left your location because the spell says you are being transferred from your location to another. If I'm moving from my location then I am no longer at that location.

Edit: The term location is used numerous times throughout the rules, with everything from vague to precise connotations based on context. IMO the context of the Dimension Door spell makes it clear that you are moving from your location and not bringing 'a creature' to it. If a GM tries to use the vagueness of the term location to prevent a PC from Dim Dervishing a flying enemy when almost everything else about Dim Door (including adding in rules for what to do if you end up inside a solid body without specifically saying you can end up in a solid body) is trying to make it clear that Dimension Door is not bound by the "your location" line from the conjuration rules, then they're the ones ignoring both RAW and (most likely) RAI in order to ruin someone's fun.


We know the spell is intended to take you to another location, but what happens if you try to teleport to the same location? So once again what is your location, and how far do you have to do to leave it? I am beginning to think that you don't have an answer.

edit:So you are saying the word location does not really matter since nobody can describe it.


The same location as in, Monk uses Abundant Step to teleport to the exact same square he's standing in? The spell does not allow that, so it would fail. If he's moving away from that square at all, then he's moving away from his location as the spell says.


When this first came up you tried to use the word location. Now you are trying to ignore the word location. It seems you just want this ability to work how you want it to work.

edit:By your last post the location is the immediate area such as a 5 foot square that is being occupied?

Silver Crusade

When using algebra it works perfectly without knowing the value of 'x'.

We can tell the difference between transporting 'from' a location and transporting 'to' a location without knowing the definition of 'location'.


What location means in the rules is all over the place, it's used to mean everything from a specific square to a general area based on context. What is clear is that Dimension door is specifically moving you from your location, specific trumps general so the general conjuration rules do no apply to Dim Door, just as Dim Door has rules for what happens if you try to teleport yourself into a rock, even when, by the general rules, that's an impossible auto fail.

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