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Swift aid lets you aid another as a swift action, but only gives +1 instead of +2.
Helpful halfling lets you give a +4 bonus instead of a +2 for aid another.
by RAW, the way they are worded makes them incompatible, as Helpful replaces a +2, swift aid doesn't give a +2, and neither mentions adding/subtracting or doubling/dividing to get the modified values.
Has there been any rulings made in the past as to how (if at all) they could stack?
Has there been any rulings made in the past as to how (if at all) they could stack?
I don't think a developer has made any specific rulings or comments on it (other than the rules).
If you're using Swift Aid by attempting the aid another action as a swift action, you can grant your ally either a +1 bonus on his next attack roll or a +1 bonus to his AC.
If you're not using the feat, and you use Aid Another normally, you would use a standard action and grant the normal bonus, modified by Helpful.
IE: The feat is more specific, so it uses the listed bonus when using the feat.
-edit- What I was trying to say was if the feat isn't more specific, then it does nothing. Meaning, if the lower bonus doesn't take precedence over the normal one, then neither does the quicker action.
Does swift aid stack with aid another (can you use both a swift action and a standard action to aid another in the same round)? If it does, then swift aid would stack with helpul halfling in a similar way.
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Does swift aid stack with aid another (can you use both a swift action and a standard action to aid another in the same round)? If it does, then swift aid would stack with helpul halfling in a similar way.
Yeah that would work.
Aid Another: "Multiple characters can aid the same friend, and similar bonuses stack."
I understand all that, seems more a case though where the feats should work together in some way as they apply to the same thing, but the wording of how they modify aid another missed that there are other ways aid another can be modified. It seems more an oversight that they don't mesh than intention.
For instance if swift aid was worded as Half bonus, or -1 bonus, and/or Helpful was a double or a +2 bonus, there would be less doubt on synergy.
Obvious answer would be to just have Helpful make swift aid a +3...
Making Helpful make Swift Aid a +2 is just as obvious an answer.
I'd say you get
- +1 with swift aid
- +4 with team-up, bodyguard or normal aid another
- swift aid and team-up/bodyguard/normal aid another does not stack - aid another only states that multiple allies can help the same friend, not that the same person can help multiple times.
P.S.: Where is that helpful halfling from? Can't seem to find it, the precise wording might help here...
It is a Trait (race) in Halflings of Golarion. Because it is a race trait anyone can take it via Adopted.
Helpful: You see nothing wrong with letting others achieve greatness so long as the job gets done. Whenever you successfully perform an aid another action, you grant your ally a +4 bonus instead of the normal +2.
Can I say, this really boosts the power of Bodyguard builds. I may have to redo my traits for my Bodyguard build.
- Gauss
A bard with the Helpful trait and Swift Aid would have some pretty cool synergy.
- Free action to maintain Bardic Performance +2 (assuming 8th level bard)
- Swift Action for Swift Aid +1
- Standard Action Aid Another+Helpful +4
+7 to hit / +2 to dmg
If you allowed certain 3.5 feats (i.e. Song of the Heart) and went with a Lotus Geisha you could boost that to:
+9 to hit / +4 to dmg :)
http://dndtools.eu/feats/eberron-campaign-setting--12/song-of-the-heart--26 75/
Add Lingering Performance...gravy.