Natural attacks and Manufactured weapon attacks

[Moose27]

Hello all, quick question regarding a summoner and his eidolon. My character is level 7, and will be leveling up soon. I could not find a reference regarding the use of both natural attacks and manufactured weapon attacks.

An eidolon at 9th level gets 5 natural attacks, and the plan is claw/claw, bite, claw/claw. I was also going to give him exotic weapon proficiency-greatsword and another pair of arms to wield said weapon. The max attacks limiter states it only counts for natural weapons, and his base attack would be at +7, giving him another greatsword attack at +2.

I asked my dm about this and he thought there may have been a rule making the manufactured weapon a primary and all other attacks taking a -5 (-2 with multi-attack) but we couldn't find the ruling.

I found an older 3.5 rule about what he is saying, shown below:

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Manufactured_and_Natural_Weapon_Fighting

"Some creatures combine attacks with natural and manufactured weapons when they make a full attack. When they do so, the manufactured weapon attack is considered the primary attack unless the creature’s description indicates otherwise and any natural weapons the creature also uses are considered secondary natural attacks. These secondary attacks do not interfere with the primary attack as attacking with an off-hand weapon does, but they take the usual –5 penalty (or –2 with the Multiattack feat) for such attacks, even if the natural weapon used is normally the creature’s primary natural weapon."

Did this carry over to pathfinder?

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thank you in advance, I appreciate any and all help!

[OneHandedSquire]

Yes, you are usually allowed to make all of your natural attacks as secondary natural attacks in addition to your normal iterative attacks (those attacks you get for having a high attack bonus using manufactured weapons or unarmed strikes).

Secondary natural attacks are made at a -5 penality (-2 with multiattack) and if your creature is using one of its arms/tentacles/whatever to wield a weapon it can't use that appendage to make a natural attack with. You can find all of this on page 182 in the Core Book.

[Marthian]

that sounds correct. You get the manufactured weapon as primary while every natural attack becomes a secondary attack at -5 (-2 if you have multi-attack) and also 1/2 str to damage instead of full strength on said natural attacks.

Keep in mind you don't get iterative attacks with natural attacks (no +6/+1 with claw), but you do with the manufactured weapons.

Natural Attacks

[Moose27]

Thank you! This was very helpful. The -2 to hit wont be too bad, but the half damage is a bummer. Taking rend will hopefully offset that damage loss, and if things get too bad I could just not swing the sword, and by using only primary natural attacks I am back up to full attack bonus and damage.

I had another question regarding the sword. There are evolutions to by-pass magic dr and alignment dr, but I was thinking that a Cold Iron greatsword would be handy to have.

Or take an adamantium sword, but I didn't see that the weapon bypassed adamantium armor like it did in eberron. Is it just for the 20 hardness bypass or does it still got through adamantium armors?

again, thank you guys!