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Does the dex bonus increase, and the armor check penalty reduction also apply to shields as well? Or is that only armor?
Quote: Starting at 3rd level, a fighter learns to be more maneuverable while wearing armor. Whenever he is wearing armor, he reduces the armor check penalty by 1 (to a minimum of 0) and increases the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed by his armor by 1. Every four levels thereafter (7th, 11th, and 15th), these bonuses increase by +1 each time, to a maximum –4 reduction of the armor check penalty and a +4 increase of the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed.
In addition, a fighter can also move at his normal speed while wearing medium armor. At 7th level, a fighter can move at his normal speed while wearing heavy armor.
Pretty sure it is only worn armor that is reduced.
mmm, seems like a tricky question, but there is no shield check penalty.
Yeah that is what I was thinking, it is all armor check penalty. I was thinking it would remove the armor penalty first, and then whatever was left over would go to shield? As for the dex, if you have a chain shirt - Dex 4, and a tower shield - Dex 2, increasing the max dex allowed wouldn't do a thing for you unless effected your armor all together.
EDIT: You have to wear a shield to get its bonus too.
We've always treated it as armor is armor and shields are shields, with armor training only applying to actual worn armor, and not being applicable to shields.
Could be worth a FAQ though, clarification never hurts.
what about this?
Tower Shield Training (Ex)
At 3rd level, a tower shield specialist gains armor training as normal, but while he employs a tower shield, the armor penalty is reduced by 3 and the maximum Dexterity bonus allowed by his armor increases by 2. The benefit increases every four levels thereafter as per standard armor training; if the tower shield specialist is not employing a tower shield, the benefits to armor training revert to the normal bonuses.
I am kinda thinking that until a FAQ, I will just treat it as a single number. As your total armor penalty is shield's armor penalty + armor's armor penalty. As like I said. You have to wear a shield to get its bonus to AC as well.
Dunno, i always reduced the shield check penalty along with armor...
I don't think it should apply to both at the same time if that is what you meant Hama. But as a single total, I do think they should be effected.
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