About panther style and snakestyle


Rules Questions


If you have both feat trees and they are active, do the extra attacks stack?


How are you having two different styles active at once? Only one archetype can do this.


L. A. Paladin wrote:


How are you having two different styles active at once? Only one archetype can do this.

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Both styles grant attacks of opportunity. By RAW, the same action cannot trigger more than one attack of opportunity. So if you move past a target and it attacks you, you can either gain an AoO from the attack itself (Panther Style) or if it attacks and misses (Snake Style) but not two AoO's if it attacks and then misses, because this is one action (an attack) and one action cannot trigger two AoO's from the same target, even if one is only triggered by a certain outcome of that action it is still the same action.


I don't see why not, so long as you have the action economy for it. Panther Style requires an Immediate Action to use the retaliatory strike and Snake Fang uses an Immediate Action for the extra attack beyond the initial AoO. But once you get to Panther Claw, the retaliatory strike becomes Free Action. Other than that, nothing indicates that you can't take both benefits. So it would flow as follows:

1) You move past an enemy and they take an AoO against your movement through their threatened space.

2) They take their AoO. If it misses, use Snake Fang to deliver your own AoO (uses an AoO for your round). Spend Immediate Action to get a follow-up attack (2 attacks total)

3) With Panther Strike and Panther Claw, take a Retaliatory Strike (doesn't count against your AoO limit). (3 attacks total)

If you also have Panther Parry, swap steps 3 and 2.


Yes, you'd get both. Panther is triggered by them attack of opportunity'ing you for moving past them. Snake is an AoO whenever a foe misses you. Those are different opportunities.

Also, Panther attacks are not AoOs, so it's not even a question of 2 AoOs for the "same opportunity."


Well, in this case it stacks. Panther Style is not an AoO and eats your swift action to attack after provoking an AoO untill you, invest in the following feats, that make it a free action and then let it resolve before the AoO. Snake style is an AoO that triggers after an opponent misses one attack (which can be his AoO) and counts against your AoO limit of course.

To make best use of those feats, you need at least Panther Claw, so you can have 3 possible attacks.
First you move in and provoke an AoO, then get panther retaliatory attack, if the opponent misses snake style triggers and if you hit the snake style AoO, you get another one as an immediate action.

Dodge and mobility are suddenly very good feats with this and spring attack too.

Skill focus sense motiv and better crit for IUS are worth it too with snake style i think.

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