Can a Summoner recharge a staff of fire?


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Dark Archive

It seems to me that I might have made a mistake thinking that I could have my summoner recharge the staff of fire I bought before they were banned from buying. If my concern is correct, I presume I can sell the item back for full price? Even if I used a few charges and am unable to recharge it myself, it could still be recharged. What about getting a fellow player at the table to spend unused spells at the end of the game to do it?

So I bought a staff of fire after seeing it had the spell wall of fire. That spell is usually a level four spell for wizards but it is level three spell for summoners. I thought I could use my spell list to recharge it at first but after seeing it is a level three for summoners and seeing staves must be recharged with the strongest spell, I am second guessing if a summoner can do so with a staff of fire?

Dark Archive

Recharging a staff has 2 conditions

1. you must possess at least one of the spells on your spell list (it doesnt matter which one).

2. You then sacrifice a spell slot at the start of the day which is equal level to the highest level spell in the staff to recharge 1 charge.

Dark Archive

I now see where my confusion was. In PF, it says casters(as in all types of caster, not prepared as opposed to spontaneous) may fill slots with lower level spells. I am fairly certain that 3.5 pointed this option out when specifically writing about wizards and choosing daily spells but said nothing about that option under spontaneous casters so I thought the option to fill higher level slots with lower level spells was only for classes with a daily list. It actually is important to be able to do this for all casters so that if for a very strange reason(really bad character design or ability damage), you have high level slots with a low stat, you can still use those slots for something.

Go a few months without playing a PC while waiting for others to level up and take on the retirement arc and sometimes you forget how your old tricks worked:)

For the record, my summoner did not recharge the staff untill he had 4th level slots.

Grand Lodge

About Staff of Fire being banned from buying?

I just checked additional resources. It seems all Staves from APG are banned since 16. August. Only the Unholy Staff seems banned from Ultimatr Equipment. No mention of CRB where the Staff of Fire is from.

Is there somewhere else a mentioning banning all staves.

Wizard with a bonded staff of fire likes to know.


The APG staves were half price. They were reprinted in UE with the correct price.

Grand Lodge

Theodum wrote:

About Staff of Fire being banned from buying?

I just checked additional resources. It seems all Staves from APG are banned since 16. August. Only the Unholy Staff seems banned from Ultimatr Equipment. No mention of CRB where the Staff of Fire is from.

Is there somewhere else a mentioning banning all staves.

Wizard with a bonded staff of fire likes to know.

That's a bit misleading. The APG staves aren't banned, you have to buy the versions from Ultimate Equipment because the APG entries for the staves in question are incorrect in that the prices were kind of munged up. When those staves were reprinted in Ultimate Equipment, the errors were corrected. Those versions are legal within standing PFS guidelines.

Dark Archive

Just realized another goof. The staff of fire is from the CRB so it is not part of that whole price mess anyway.

Dark Archive

Raymond Lambert wrote:
Just realized another goof. The staff of fire is from the CRB so it is not part of that whole price mess anyway.

Based on the staff rules, my understanding is that you would need to have Wall of Fire on your character's spells known as a spontaneous caster, then you could charge it.


I thought you needed any spell on the staff, but you need to be able to cast the highest level spell on the staff. 4th in this case. Is that right?

Liberty's Edge

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
I thought you needed any spell on the staff, but you need to be able to cast the highest level spell on the staff. 4th in this case. Is that right?

Mine too. Than just use a 4th slot to recharge or pay someone.

Dark Archive

Right, but the only spell on the summoner list that's on the staff is Wall of Fire...

Liberty's Edge

so have too put WoF on spells known and wait till 10th level.

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