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So! Apparently the Alchemist is arcane for purposes of the Samsaran's ability to add spells to the spell list. I'm curious as to what the gems are for this option. So far I have...
Locate Object (Sorc/Wiz 2)
Locate Creature (Sorc/Wiz 3)
Enter Image (Sorc/Wiz 3)
Clairaudience/Clairvoyance (Sorc/Wiz 3)
Scrying (Sorc/Wiz 4)
Detect Scrying (Sorc/Wiz 4)
Lesser Astral Projection (Sorc / Wis 5)
Ancestral Communion (Bard 2)
Glibness (Bard 3)
Ancestral Gift (Bard 4)
Fool's Forbiddance (Bard 6)
(Greater) Bladed Dash (Magus 2 or 5)
Spit Venom (Witch 3)
Reincarnation (Witch 5)
Swarm Skin (Witch 6)
Aspect of the Wolf (Witch via Moon 5)
Divine Power (Witch via Strength 4)
Divine Favor (Witch via Strength 1)
Has this been clarified by a dev? It seems to me that the way the samsaran's ability is written, it's meant for SPELLS specifically, which Extracts are not.
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Patron spells don't count since they are not from an arcane list. They are a special class ability.
The divination spells are awesome concept wise for a mind chemist type character. Drink a potion, spend some time staring at water with huge over dilated eyes talking about/with things that aren't there....So cool I want to do this now.
Edit: I feel bad not adding any spell sugestions, I hope the next replies include some. I'm not too familiar with the alch list.
The ability doesn't say alchemists are arcane for that purpose, and they aren't arcane casters. They don't even cast spells either. going to echo cartmanbeck here asking where you saw that.
And geneticdrift is right about the patron thing.
Still, the concept of "Hey, in my past life, I learned this awesome drink!" is amusing.
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Found the thing he's referring to.
This is one of the VERY FEW times I'm going to have to say James Jacobs' interpretation is wrong. He should not have included Alchemist in that list of spellcasters. They don't cast spells.
It's worth noting that in this case, James was the original designer of the alchemist class (as in, before it was sent to Jason to be pounded into submission). He also states that the extracts are just spells-with-fluff around them, although there are various Design Team comments about them not being spells. It's kinda weird.
If a Samsaran Alchemist could Sor/Wiz spells as extracts, then I'd expect a Samsaran wizard or sorcerer to likewise be able to learn spells from the Alchemist's Extracts list. Which, considering how many spells on the Alchemist list are traditionally Divine-exclusive, like Lesser Restoration, seems wrong; it bypasses the Samsaran's "must be the same type of spell" restriction.
Then again, Samsaran already lets wizards and sorcerers get Haste as a second-level spell via Summoner, so it already does weird stuff anyway.
And for once I agree with James.
Extracts should be treated like spells with fluff. The million and one, "...but, you see..." unique things is really annoying, unnecessarily complicates things, and ultimately gimps the alchemist, as it ends up working out that until some dev bothers to chime in on how Alchemist Extract Question #358 should be handled, they get defaulted to "not spells, too bad so sad."
Getting extracts is far, FAR from the most broken thing you can do w/ Samsaran...
EDIT: And for a suggestion...how about Antimagic Field? Alchemists can get Ex flight which would still work in antimagic, so that'd be a nice trick to fight a caster with, especially with grappling.