| Alaryth |
Gorbacz wrote:I assume you mean "God" not "good", if so:
Clerics = yes
Oracles = noDruids = No
Inquisitors = No
Paladins = No (But if they do they have to be within one step of them)
Rangers = No
That "no" seems strange in the case of Inquisitor. I have always assumed they need a god in Golarion just like the clerics do.
Archpaladin Zousha
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Paul Watson wrote:That "no" seems strange in the case of Inquisitor. I have always assumed they need a god in Golarion just like the clerics do.Gorbacz wrote:I assume you mean "God" not "good", if so:
Clerics = yes
Oracles = noDruids = No
Inquisitors = No
Paladins = No (But if they do they have to be within one step of them)
Rangers = No
Especially since they kind of fill the "paladin" slot for faiths that can't have paladins or anti-paladins, like Pharasma or Gozreh.
Beckett
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Inquisitors can be Inquisitors of a faction or group like the Aspis Consortium, Whispering Way, or whatever, not have a Patron Deity, and still get all Class Features and Spells. It's just not common. In PFS, only Clerics require a Patron Deity.
This was done to keep Clerics from "cherry picking" Domains, though Druids, Oracles, and other classes can also get Domains, and have free reign to "cherry pick", including Travel/Liberation which are known as the best Domains. Heck, the Urban Druid can even spont cast Domain spells, and no Cleric can, so thumbs up to logic, there.
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Gorbacz
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Inquisitors can be Inquisitors of a faction or group like the Aspis Consortium, Whispering Way, or whatever, not have a Patron Deity, and still get all Class Features and Spells. It's just not common. In PFS, only Clerics require a Patron Deity.
This was done to keep Clerics from "cherry picking" Domains, though Druids, Oracles, and other classes can also get Domains, and have free reign to "cherry pick", including Travel/Liberation which are known as the best Domains. Heck, the Urban Druid can even spont cast Domain spells, and no Cleric can, so thumbs up to logic, there.
:)
The strongest class in the game doesn't need any more perks than it already has.
Beckett
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Beckett wrote:The strongest class in the game doesn't need any more perks than it already has.Inquisitors can be Inquisitors of a faction or group like the Aspis Consortium, Whispering Way, or whatever, not have a Patron Deity, and still get all Class Features and Spells. It's just not common. In PFS, only Clerics require a Patron Deity.
This was done to keep Clerics from "cherry picking" Domains, though Druids, Oracles, and other classes can also get Domains, and have free reign to "cherry pick", including Travel/Liberation which are known as the best Domains. Heck, the Urban Druid can even spont cast Domain spells, and no Cleric can, so thumbs up to logic, there.
:)
I know right, they aught to just ban all Druid Archtypes, if not the entire Druid class. . . Maybe the Wizard/Sorcerer, Summoner, and then Bard, too.
Gorbacz
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Gorbacz wrote:I know right, they aught to just ban all Druid Archtypes, if not the entire Druid class. . . Maybe the Wizard/Sorcerer, Summoner, and then Bard, too.Beckett wrote:The strongest class in the game doesn't need any more perks than it already has.Inquisitors can be Inquisitors of a faction or group like the Aspis Consortium, Whispering Way, or whatever, not have a Patron Deity, and still get all Class Features and Spells. It's just not common. In PFS, only Clerics require a Patron Deity.
This was done to keep Clerics from "cherry picking" Domains, though Druids, Oracles, and other classes can also get Domains, and have free reign to "cherry pick", including Travel/Liberation which are known as the best Domains. Heck, the Urban Druid can even spont cast Domain spells, and no Cleric can, so thumbs up to logic, there.
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I'm still amazed how your class tribalism prevents you from seeing how powerful Clerics were in 3.5 and still are.
I mean, if you were going on about Monks or Rogues, sure, but...
Beckett
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They where ok. I'd say lowest on the upper "tier" crap of classes, if you min/maxed the crap out of them, and didn't other classes.
It's not at all about Class Tribalism. I also love the Paladin, and think that Paizo went way, way too far in buffing it. Same with the Bard, and yet didn't touch the actual main offenders like the Druid or Wizard. Like I said, even less balance and just shifted the problems around.
Gorbacz
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They where ok. I'd say lowest on the upper "tier" crap of classes, if you min/maxed the crap out of them, and didn't other classes.
It's not at all about Class Tribalism. I also love the Paladin, and think that Paizo went way, way too far in buffing it. Same with the Bard, and yet didn't touch the actual main offenders like the Druid or Wizard. Like I said, even less balance and just shifted the problems around.
Paladin was a laughably weak class in 3.5ed. What Paizo did is bring him to what he actually was supposed to be, read: efficient divine fighter. Instead of, you know, Cleric, which was better than Paladin in every possible way in 3.5e.
Druid: wildshape nerfed. That's all what was needed. You seem to have a strange idea of balance, likely from reading too much Internets and playing the game too little :)
| Drejk |
This was done to keep Clerics from "cherry picking" Domains, though Druids, Oracles, and other classes can also get Domains, and have free reign to "cherry pick", including Travel/Liberation which are known as the best Domains. Heck, the Urban Druid can even spont cast Domain spells, and no Cleric can, so thumbs up to logic, there.
Druids can't cherry pick through domains, they have a very specific list of domains they can select from and neither Travel nor Liberation are on the list (Air, Animal, Earth, Fire, Plant, Water, or Weather *and* specific animal and terrain domains for core druid).
Urban Druid gets to cast his domain spells spontaneously! Oh, no he can spontaneously cast spells from one of: Charm, Community, Knowledge, Nobility, Protection, Repose, Rune, or Weather!
| Drejk |
Then we operate on a bit different ranges of cherry picking:
I say that if to select desirable option you are forced to take another option then it goes a bit beyond the cherry-picking as then you are not free to make all the choices you want, but it is a matter for another discussion.
Also note that the Druid access to domains is determined by the class/archetype fluff.
Beckett
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I'm refering specifically to the game/issue at hand with Cherry Pickng. Clerics can not just pick two concepts they want, they have to pick a patron then take from a small handful of options. Keep in mid that this is over 1/3 of their entire Class Feature options.
Druids, who instead get all kinds of things besides, also have optins that completely bypass all the Cleric's restrictions, and options to even use them better than the Cleric, not to mention adding a lot of spells that they normally do not get to their already better spell list.
:)