Advice to keep a cohort relevant.


Advice


Fluff and story is a Cleric of Iroir. She needs to run round with no armor or weapons. Due to fluff I was thinking Monk1/clericX but since cleric's of Iroir get unarmed strike im not married to the idea. Issue I have with this is that, the cohort is already 2 levels below the PC's and taking a level of monk really nerfs cleric spells/casting ability.

EDIT: This would be a Healbot/buffer

Relevant house rules:
Monks can use there wisdom in place of Strength on attack rolls and combat maneuver checks with unarmed strikes or monk weapons.

What i was thinking:
The one level of monk could be MoMS or Flowing Monk (immediate action to trip is sweet). For cleric the only thing I could see that would fix the concept would be Merciful Healer. Would this be worth it? I would be losing a domain power for Mercies on my channel and not causing an AoO on healing spells and heal checks.

Reason:
Lack of healing and wanting someone in the party to make magical items, pitched Leadership to DM. Allowing this concept. So I do plan on having acceptable spellcraft skill and Craft Wondrous Item with level 5 or 7 feat.

That about sums up the peramiters. Advice?

Thanks in advance.


If the GM mostly uses humanoids the MoMS might work, but if he likes to use monsters(things with racial HD) it won't work so well because somewhere around level 10 CMD's increase dramatically, and it only gets worse as you go into higher levels.

I would just fluff her as a martial artist trained cleric, and not bother with monk levels. The merciful healer seems like a good healbot, but if you are not going for the healbot idea I would not take it.


I wouldn't multiclass a caster cohort even as a dip. That's too many casting levels lost.

Just build a traditional support cleric. Try to budget a lesser extend rod for the nice all day clerical buffs and use him as a buffbot. She's not going to hit anything, but Magic Vestment can go on clothes for defense. Or use Silk Ceremonial Armor. Irori seems to be a Vudran god anyhow and I think they're in the oriental equipment group.


Well looking at it I came up with two different lines but the base AC and BAB would be the same, along with most of the other abilities.

Character level 5
Str 8, Dex 12, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 18, Cha 14
AC:16
BAB:+3

Healing Domain
Channel Energy 2d6 (7/day)

MoMS & Merciful Healer:

Feats:
Human bonus-Dodge
Level 1 - CraneStyle
Monk bonus - Crane Wing
Level 3 - Mobility
Level 5 - Selective Channeling

Would be able to block one melee attack per round with Crane wing

Flowing Monk & Merciful Healer:

Feats:
Human bonus-Dodge
Level 1 - Mobility
Monk bonus - Improved Trip
Level 3 - Selective Channeling
Level 5 - Extra Channel

Would be able to use immediate action to trip someone that tried to attack her.


Slacker2010 wrote:

Fluff and story is a Cleric of Iroir. She needs to run round with no armor or weapons. Due to fluff I was thinking Monk1/clericX but since cleric's of Iroir get unarmed strike im not married to the idea. Issue I have with this is that, the cohort is already 2 levels below the PC's and taking a level of monk really nerfs cleric spells/casting ability.

EDIT: This would be a Healbot/buffer

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That about sums up the peramiters. Advice?

Thanks in advance.

I know that material from 3.X needs to be closely examined before being introduced into Pathfinder, but since your character concept involves no armor or weapons you may want to consider the Vow of Poverty (feat) http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Vow_of_Poverty. It would work pretty good for cohorts since it means you wouldn't have to worry about keeping their equipment up to date ;P.


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

What about giving this cohort the cloistered cleric archetype? Since you do not want to have this cohort wear armor, an archetype that loses some armor proficiency (anything above light armor alone in this case) is an obvious option to consider.


David knott 242 wrote:

What about giving this cohort the cloistered cleric archetype? Since you do not want to have this cohort wear armor, an archetype that loses some armor proficiency (anything above light armor alone in this case) is an obvious option to consider.

Because Cloistered Clerics have Diminished Spell casting. She already 3 levels behind. Two to being a cohort and one to the dip.


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

But the cloistered cleric does not lose any caster levels -- and I was suggesting this as an alternative to the level dip into monk.

If you want to give the cohort a mechanical reason not to wear armor, dump strength -- even light armor weighs enough that a physically weak character would have good reason not to wear it.

Another option to consider would be an Oracle with the Ancestor mystery, which is available to followers of Irori. The Spirit Shield revelation would be sufficient reason for this character to dispense with armor, as it give a +4 armor bonus to AC, increasing to +6 at 7th level, +8 at 11th level, and so forth. This bonus is available for one hour per Oracle level per day, in increments of one hour.

Another Oracle option is the Lore mystery, which includes a revelation that lets you use charisma (an Oracle's casting stat) instead of dexterity in calculating AC and CMD -- but this mystery gives the Oracle less reason to abandon armor.

One other mechanical advantage to having a character not wear armor would be highly campaign dependent -- in my own game I pointed out the spell to my DM and fellow players for a laugh, not for a serious option. The spell? Lover's Vengeance. Since this spell requires physical intimacy with its intended targets, having to spend a lot of time removing your armor and then putting it back on would be an inconvenience. Of course, since your most likely targets for this spell would have to do the same, it is unlikely that you would save that much time by not wearing armor.


I wouldn't waste a level on monk.

Why the no armour and weapons?


@ DavidKnott - Thanks for the suggestions. Cloistered Cleric would be good if I was not losing spells per day, or if the benefit was not just skill points and knowledge checks. Since she is so far behind on casting I did not want to take more spells from her.

I will take a look at the oracle to see if i can work with that. Thing that pops to mind here is effects of the curse for my role play reasons, being set back another level for spell progression, and the loss of Channel energy.

Most of your suggestions are ways to fix whats probably a low AC. I think with the "MoMS crane wing" or the "Flowing Monk Redirection" she could move into and out of (mobility helps here too) where she needs to be for healing. Otherwise cleaver tactical positioning should be mostly whats needed to keep her safe.

Anything, such as feats what would make her a more effective support class?

EDIT:

@Darkwarriorkarg - Story line and fluffy, the original post has most of the info on that. Its possible I could just drop the monk level, AC would suck even more, along with her +hit though.


I guess Monk is the way to go.

What are you playing? Noble Scion PRC could help you depending on what you have now (and your GM allows it)

Grand Lodge

Silken Armor can give that "armorless" feel, and still wear armor.

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