Putting points in the fly skill...when?

[Lochmonster]

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

[stringburka]

Yes.

[gravalpea]

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural
means of flight or gliding.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

gravalpea wrote:

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural or magical
means of flight or gliding.

Fixed that for you.

[Lochmonster]

gravalpea wrote:

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural
means of flight or gliding.

What about the fly spell? Or boots of flying? Or fly potions? None of those are natural means of flying and all require use of the fly skill for any maneuvers.

If you use a potion of flying at level 2 can you start putting points into flying at level 3 even if you don't get a fly spell for 2 more levels?

[gravalpea]

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

gravalpea wrote:

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural or magical
means of flight or gliding.

Fixed that for you.

Greatly appreciated. Is that from the most recent printing? If so, I need to update my copy.

[LazarX]

gravalpea wrote:

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural
means of flight or gliding.

Reliable means of practising flight. Daily use of a fly spell or magic item is acceptable.

[SlimGauge]

You left out the following sentence (perhaps because it falls on the following page).

CRB pg 97-98 wrote:

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural means of flight or gliding. Creatures can also take ranks in Fly if they possess a reliable means of flying every day (either through a spell or other special ability).

So to answer lochmonster; the boots would work fine, you'd need a potion of fly EVERY DAY, the fly spell would work fine IF you dedicated a spell slot for it every day. My prepared casters tend to leave a spell slot open and if I hadn't used it for anything else, then I practice flying before bed.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

gravalpea wrote:

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

gravalpea wrote:

Lochmonster wrote:

I was told a character can not put points in the fly skill until they actually have the ability (or item/power/etc)to fly.

Is this accurate?

pg 96 of the crb

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural or magical
means of flight or gliding.

Fixed that for you.

Greatly appreciated. Is that from the most recent printing? If so, I need to update my copy.

Its actually what Lazarx said, but I felt "or magical" was sufficient. ;-)

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

SlimGauge wrote:

You left out the following sentence (perhaps because it falls on the following page).

CRB pg 97-98 wrote:

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural means of flight or gliding. Creatures can also take ranks in Fly if they possess a reliable means of flying every day (either through a spell or other special ability).

So to answer lochmonster; the boots would work fine, you'd need a potion of fly EVERY DAY, the fly spell would work fine IF you dedicated a spell slot for it every day. My prepared casters tend to leave a spell slot open and if I hadn't used it for anything else, then I practice flying before bed.

Of course once you spent a few days practicing flying and took a skill rank you wouldnt lose that rank just because you didn't drink a potion of fly (or prepare the spell, or whatever).

[Humphrey Boggard]

Bummer. My samurai's companion horse took a rank in fly - which apparently she can't do now. Guess there's nothing to do but use her next ability score increase to up her INT to 3 and start dumping ranks into craft.

Samurai: Horse! Is my new lance ready yet? You said it would be done two weeks ago!
Horse: Neigh.

[gravalpea]

Well, when you have egg on your face, make breakfast :D

[LazarX]

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

SlimGauge wrote:

You left out the following sentence (perhaps because it falls on the following page).

CRB pg 97-98 wrote:

You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural means of flight or gliding. Creatures can also take ranks in Fly if they possess a reliable means of flying every day (either through a spell or other special ability).

So to answer lochmonster; the boots would work fine, you'd need a potion of fly EVERY DAY, the fly spell would work fine IF you dedicated a spell slot for it every day. My prepared casters tend to leave a spell slot open and if I hadn't used it for anything else, then I practice flying before bed.

Of course once you spent a few days practicing flying and took a skill rank you wouldnt lose that rank just because you didn't drink a potion of fly (or prepare the spell, or whatever).

The assumption is that you're doing this on your down time. IF it involves an expendable resource, it's up to the GM to decide how many expenditures you need to make before you've practised for that skill rank.