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So say I have 5 lvl 4 spell slots. I cast evervation 5 times. Then I use metamagic of a +1 to cast evervation at a lvl 5 spell slot. Does this work? So I could potentially give something 1d4 x 9 negative lvls?

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but yes you can use higher level slots to cast lower level spells even without metamagic. So if you have 5 4th level and 4 5th level slots you could use all of them to cast enervation, it would just take you nine rounds to cast it that many times. You don't even need metamagic to do that.


Though, if he's looking to empower, maximize then he could do that though it'd be a 9th level spell, iirc. Which metamagic feat are you looking at?


Oh I didnt know that. So I could use a 5th lvl spell slot to cast fireball (3rd lvl spell) if I was out of lvl 3 spell slots without using meta magic?


We just found a rod of metamagic enlarge spell. Which is a +1, but I'm pretty sure you dont use the + descripter when using rods right? I'm looking to cast enervation in a boss fight every single round even after I'm out of that spell slot. ( I have higher spell slots )


Rods of metamagic do not effect the level of the spell.

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Master_Trip wrote:
Oh I didnt know that. So I could use a 5th lvl spell slot to cast fireball (3rd lvl spell) if I was out of lvl 3 spell slots without using meta magic?

Yep.

PRD wrote:
Spell Slots: The various character class tables show how many spells of each level a character can cast per day. These openings for daily spells are called spell slots. A spellcaster always has the option to fill a higher-level spell slot with a lower-level spell. A spellcaster who lacks a high enough ability score to cast spells that would otherwise be his due still gets the slots but must fill them with spells of lower levels.

Emphasis mine.

Now your fireball cast from a 5th level slot is still a 3rd level spell for things like the save DC, globe of invulnerability, and the like. You do have to use a metamagic feat (specifically Heighten Spell) if you want all the perks of it being 5th level.


ryric wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but yes you can use higher level slots to cast lower level spells even without metamagic. So if you have 5 4th level and 4 5th level slots you could use all of them to cast enervation, it would just take you nine rounds to cast it that many times. You don't even need metamagic to do that.

Wow this is amazing news!!! So what your saying to me is I have 8 Lvl 1 slots 8 Lvl 2 slots 6 Lvl 3 slots 5 Lvl 4 slots and 3 Lvl 5 slots, I can cast magic missle 30 times? (Once Per Round Ofc) YES!!!

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Master_Trip wrote:
Wow this is amazing news!!! So what your saying to me is I have 8 Lvl 1 slots 8 Lvl 2 slots 6 Lvl 3 slots 5 Lvl 4 slots and 3 Lvl 5 slots, I can cast magic missle 30 times? (Once Per Round Ofc) YES!!!

You sure can. I think you'll find as you get more experience with the game that you'll find better things to do with those higher level spell slots. But if you're having fun tearing everything to pieces with magic missile then go for it.


Death Blossom, haha. (Diablo 3 reference)

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