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You're surrounded on all sides by eight enemies. You drink a potion of enlarge person and survive the incoming attacks of opportunity. What happens in regards to positioning?


You'd be squeezing and be forced to move which would probably incur extra AoO if applicable.


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So you don't shunt anyone out of your way?

(Just to be clear, I'm looking for RAW, rather than interpretation.)


Enlarge Person wrote:
If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process. If it fails, it is constrained without harm by the materials enclosing it--the spell cannot be used to crush a creature by increasing its size.

This is the only ruling towards it that I am aware. Anything more than this will need to be ruled by the GM. No RAW here I fear.


There is no RAW for this exact situation. The RAW that exists is for containers and not people. I guess you could use the strength check to push people but that's a combat maneuver.


I would shunt some of the enemies aside.

But I don't know of any RAW statement.


This is from Righteous might:

If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, you attain the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using your increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process (see Smashing an Object). If you fail, you are constrained without harm by the materials enclosing you--the spell cannot crush you by increasing your size.

might have to make a couple of strength checks...


Arent there general rules in transmutation section for this? Not sure though


Nope.

Quote:
If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell.

All it says.

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So there's no clear rule for it. I mean, since enemies almost never use the entirety of their square (except for gelatinous cubes), you wouldn't be constrained so much that you couldn't grow.

The ruling I'd use: everyone around you makes a Strength check, or CMD check. For each three people who could be shoved aside to make enough room for you, sum their results. You push away the three people in the corner that in sum rolled the lowest.

Example. So if people around you are numbered clockwise, with 1 at north position. And they roll Strength, and get:

1 - 10
2 - 12
3 - 4
4 - 8
5 - 22
6 - 1
7 - 19
8 - 12

Then the NE corner is [1+2+3] = 26
SE [3+4+5] = 34
SW [5+6+7] = 42
NW [7+8+1] = 41

The NE corner got the lowest sum result, so push them aside one square each to give you room to grow.

Obviously this is just a ruling, nowhere remotely near RAW. But I like it.


Strangely, this just happened with my Kingmaker group. The GM did a CMB/CMD check and the growing bad guy was shunted to the side.

But it was an off the cuff ruling, as none of us were certain of RAW.

Good to know others are curious as well.

FAQing!

Greg


Greg Wasson wrote:

Strangely, this just happened with my Kingmaker group. The GM did a CMB/CMD check and the growing bad guy was shunted to the side.

But it was an off the cuff ruling, as none of us were certain of RAW.

Good to know others are curious as well.

FAQing!

Greg

Ravingdork has the most interesting questions.

I usually go with the squeezing answer, but I'm not always consistent. A definite answer would be good.

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