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So I just took part in my first PFS game. (In fact its the first PFS game for my hometown. :) )
After playing it, I find my character not what I was expecting and wanted to retrain it to another character ideal I had.
However, this other character ideal was made with a different Faction in mind.
In this case, the Grand Lodge, over the Andoran faction that my original character was part of.
That's When I noticed that the 2 PP I earned for that session is "locked in" to the Andoran faction.
So what happens to this 2 PP when I retrain my character?
Do they stay with the Andoran or can I "move" them to the Grand Lodge?
Or should I just make a new character?
Thanks in advance for any clarification on this matter.
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Well, the default rule is that when you change faction, it costs 3 PP * Character level since faction can't be changed during the rebuild.Thus in this case, you'd lose your PP (I don't know if it would go negative). However I think it might be worth shooting your local VC an e-mail on the subject since they might be able to help.
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Well, the default rule is that when you change faction, it costs 3 PP * Character level since faction can't be changed during the rebuild.Thus in this case, you'd lose your PP (I don't know if it would go negative). However I think it might be worth shooting your local VC an e-mail on the subject since they might be able to help.
As Jiggy has stated, 4.2 rebuild lv 1 character section states all parts of a character can be rebuild.
As for contacting a VC. This is the first PFS in my country. We don't even have a Venture-Lieutenant listed yet!
Hence I posted here.
I just want to know if there is a pain free way to do this rebuild. Or would it just be better to make a new character.
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I think the real problem is changing it in the system. I don't think they've updated that part of it hence why a VC would need to be involved. Since you don't have one you might need to get in touch with Mike Brock to take care of that aspect.
I'd definitely try to salvage the character if at all possible (and it should be) :).
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Remember that Chronicle sheets are more "official" than online records. So as long as your number of Prestige/Fame points is correct, you'll be alright. Now, for the sake of nice bookkeeping, try contacting whoever ran the game or event (if possible). They can edit the session online to attribute the prestige to a different faction.
But I'm honestly not sure whether that's necessary or even desirable.
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I think the real problem is changing it in the system. I don't think they've updated that part of it hence why a VC would need to be involved. Since you don't have one you might need to get in touch with Mike Brock to take care of that aspect.
I'd definitely try to salvage the character if at all possible (and it should be) :).
Oh I will still play that character even if there are no changes.
It's just that I don't find the character working as my FIRST PFS character.
The one that I will be focusing most of my time on.
If there needs to be a lot of hoops to jump through, just for to get the PP changed to another Faction, then I would prefer to just make another character to focus on.
OR...
I could try to see if I can change the back-story ideal to fit with Andoran.
Grand Lodge do have a trait that I need, but I think I could get a racial trait that could do the same thing.
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Like Jiggy said, as long as you have your chronicle sheet, you should be good. Just note on it you rebuilt and changed faction in the rebuild.
If you want it changed for posterity, just have the GM/event coordinator who entered it into the system change it. They can do that relatively easily. I'm sure they won't mind if you ask nice :)
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Remember that Chronicle sheets are more "official" than online records. So as long as your number of Prestige/Fame points is correct, you'll be alright. Now, for the sake of nice bookkeeping, try contacting whoever ran the game or event (if possible). They can edit the session online to attribute the prestige to a different faction.
But I'm honestly not sure whether that's necessary or even desirable.
Pretty much correct. Getting the faction right in the system isn't as important as out once was. Make the change and run with it. It should change in the system after tour next game anyway. As Jiggy said your chronicles are what really count
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Thanks for all the help in this everyone.
After some discussion with fellow players, I feel I would keep my original character.
There were some really memorable moments playing as him.
He should come in handy at some later date. After all, characters don't stay lv 1 forever.
I will just make a new character to play instead.
He won't be able to make use of the gold the first character earned to get better gear, but it should be fine.
Its only 1 game difference here. :)
Thanks again!
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I on the other hand am in precisely this position now. I played a first steps scenario without choosing a faction, but my GM entered it as Lantern Lodge. I then played a second game, and stated my faction as Lantern Lodge because I thought they were all the same, and my previous GM had listed me as such.
I've since done a little more reading, and decided that I want to go with Qadira. I'm still level 1. How should I go about doing this? If I inform my GM at the next game, will he be able to fix my faction and the appropriate amount of prestige for me when he updates my sessions online? Or would I need to make a request on these boards for an Aussie venture captain to change things for me?
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I on the other hand am in precisely this position now. I played a first steps scenario without choosing a faction, but my GM entered it as Lantern Lodge. I then played a second game, and stated my faction as Lantern Lodge because I thought they were all the same, and my previous GM had listed me as such.
I've since done a little more reading, and decided that I want to go with Qadira. I'm still level 1. How should I go about doing this? If I inform my GM at the next game, will he be able to fix my faction and the appropriate amount of prestige for me when he updates my sessions online? Or would I need to make a request on these boards for an Aussie venture captain to change things for me?
Like Jiggy said, as long as you have your chronicle sheet, you should be good. Just note on it you rebuilt and changed faction in the rebuild.
Again, you can make the request to have it changed online, but your chronicle sheets is what really matters.
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@Wei - There is a section for "report a problem" in the sessions area when you're logged into your PFS account. This leads to a web form where you can simply let them know of the change and they'll get it fixed for you. Meanwhile, feel free to continue playing the character as if this changed.
As others have stated, with the 4.2 rules you can change anything but your PFS character number before hitting level 2.
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As others have stated, with the 4.2 rules you can change anything but your PFS character number before hitting level 2.
Before PLAYING at level 2 or above. People who DM a lot can start playing characters at level 2, or 3 or more via DM credit. I know I have a character I've never played at level 2.
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Yes, before PLAYING. Gee, you really pwnd me Mr. Kender. Since he's a 1st time PFS player, I don't think GM credit applies to him.
People other than the OP are dealing with this issue. They search the forums and get this thread, as this is I believe the only thread on this since the new guide came out.
You made a correct statement, but it was incomplete. I completed it. No pwnage anywhere to be had. Frankly, I am confused how you thought I was trying to pwn you.
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Any PC can be completely rebuilt, other than number, before playing their first game (scenario or module) at level 2 (as long as they have 3 XP or less, they qualify for the 1st level rebuild)
Any PC, no matter how much XP it has, can be completely rebuilt, if it has never been played. That mainly covers PCs built by a GM exclusively using GM credits from scenarios and modules run.
How's that, FK?
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I for one don't think you should change the faction in the previous sessions. You played that faction mission in that session and that is how it should be reported. If someone played a fairly easy faction mission and then later switches factions and has the report changed to one that was super hard, the campaign staff will see that more people that should have succeeded at the super hard mission, so they wouldn't need to make the changes they might otherwise. It might not seem a big deal, but it might really screw up the numbers if a lot of people are switching factions around until they settle on one that fits.
As long as the faction is right after rebuild, there is no need to make changes prior to the rebuild. It'd be too much hassle for the gms and too messy.
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Although in my case, I played first steps II and The Devil We Know II, so in the first one the faction mission didn't really come into play, and for the second one I was doing the Qadiran mission anyway (apparently Lantern Lodge pathfinders do Qadiran missions pre-whenever-lantern-lodge-appeared).
So I did all the missions I would have had my character been Qadiran from the start.
Also, the GM from the first game put me as from the lantern lodge even before I decided. My faction for my first chronicle sheet was blank, but he put me as lantern lodge when he reported the game.
Edit: Also...are some faction missions supposed to be easier than others? I thought they would be all about the same, albeit somewhat luck-based since you may or may not have the right skill for the job.
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The scenario I ran last night, all three factions that were represented were all gimmies. One would have been a skill check, but he got past it for speaking a language needed, the other two were items that required no check to find, they just had to search the bodies/npcs and found the items. Of course now looking back through the scenario, most of them were gimmies, with two requiring a DC 15 skill check one of which is trained only, and one mission had a time limit on it, but I know of scenarios that have DC 20-25 skill checks needed for them to succeed.
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In my case, I don't even think we had a faction mission for first steps since we didn't even need to choose a faction then. As for the second one, we had to count some boxes (that were clearly marked on the map) and rescue a guy who was...literally behind the door in the last area. We just needed to finish the last fight and there was no way to miss him. And it would have been the same mission whether I was Lantern or Qadiran.
In any case, I will be taking this character to a game in a couple of weeks...if I declare my character as being from the Qadiran faction, will I be penalised prestige points for 'changing factions' when my GM enters that session into my records? I've put in a request for the change using the 'report a problem with this session' link, but nothing's happened yet. I understand that it won't change instantly, but if it does not change by the time my next game comes, what should I do?
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The First Steps scenarios dono't have faction missions. Some favors for certain factions, but no missions per se.
And, yes, sometimes some faction missions are slam-dunks, while other times they are virtually impossible. I was playing one higher-level scenario, and one of the faction missions was accomplished by not attacking the CG priests who were telling us "No.". Seriously?
And, another time, my Cha 7 fighter was stuck trying to make, untrained, a DC 25 Diplomacy check. Note that this was at first level, no less. And plenty of times I have seen high DC trained-only skills for faction missions.
Which is why Season 4 offers both an overall seasonal faction goal, so that you can plan to try and fulfill that PP for the scenario in that fashion, if the built-in mission is not something your PC can easily fulfill, or fails at.
IMO, since this is a first level PC being rebuilt, and the one time you ran a faction mission it would have been teh same mission, either way, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Then again, while some of the locals took advantage of the free faction change during Season 3, I don't know the mechanics involved.
Fromthe GM side, all I saw was a sign-off on the chronicle, under conditions changed, for the faction change. And I entered the new faction on reporting. I don't know if there is anything more that needs to be done on Paizo's side, but I doubt it.
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I think GMs are just going to have to get used to seeing lots of changes between chronicle sheets for new characters. As long as the PFS number is the same on all sheets, and they're signed and in order, they're fine.
As well as changing names, GMs should learn to expect to see 2 prestige reported to Grand Lodge (from playing a pregen) and 4 reported to Andoran, when the now 2nd level PC in their game is in the Silver Crusade (for example). The fact that the prestige is from different factions wouldn't affect the PCs fame score, or the in-game use of the prestige points.
I believe the reporting shouldn't be changed retroactively, for two reasons:
- Messing about with chronicle sheets retroactively is generally a bad thing
- This reason:
If someone played a fairly easy faction mission and then later switches factions and has the report changed to one that was super hard, the campaign staff will see that more people that should have succeeded at the super hard mission, so they wouldn't need to make the changes they might otherwise. It might not seem a big deal, but it might really screw up the numbers if a lot of people are switching factions around until they settle on one that fits.
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The First Steps scenarios dono't have faction missions. Some favors for certain factions, but no missions per se.
And, yes, sometimes some faction missions are slam-dunks, while other times they are virtually impossible. I was playing one higher-level scenario, and one of the faction missions was accomplished by not attacking the CG priests who were telling us "No.". Seriously?
And, another time, my Cha 7 fighter was stuck trying to make, untrained, a DC 25 Diplomacy check. Note that this was at first level, no less. And plenty of times I have seen high DC trained-only skills for faction missions.
Which is why Season 4 offers both an overall seasonal faction goal, so that you can plan to try and fulfill that PP for the scenario in that fashion, if the built-in mission is not something your PC can easily fulfill, or fails at.
IMO, since this is a first level PC being rebuilt, and the one time you ran a faction mission it would have been teh same mission, either way, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Then again, while some of the locals took advantage of the free faction change during Season 3, I don't know the mechanics involved.
Fromthe GM side, all I saw was a sign-off on the chronicle, under conditions changed, for the faction change. And I entered the new faction on reporting. I don't know if there is anything more that needs to be done on Paizo's side, but I doubt it.
Remember Kinevon that any DC 25 checks for faction missions are usually the second, more difficult option.
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Remember Kinevon that any DC 25 checks for faction missions are usually the second, more difficult option.
** spoiler omitted **
I think you are thinking of recent scenarios.
Andoran faction PCs should attempt to give an agent of the Thakur the missive from Captain Maldris. The Eagle Knight symbol on the scroll case makes this a difficult task. Agents of the Thakur begin any encounter with an Andoran faction PC as indifferent and must be made helpful in order to take the scroll and promise to deliver it to the Thakur.
Then again, this was in the early days of Season 1, and the GM, while good, was also one of the ones who would massage scenarios to make them better.
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I think that retroactively changing the reporting is a bad idea, because then a GM isn't able to tell in the system if a character HAS changed factions. They should be able to see when a PC has changed factions so they'll know if the player "paid" for the change or not.
Erm...we're talking about level 1 characters using the rebuild rules. There should be no need to 'pay'.
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I think that retroactively changing the reporting is a bad idea, because then a GM isn't able to tell in the system if a character HAS changed factions. They should be able to see when a PC has changed factions so they'll know if the player "paid" for the change or not.
If level 1 characters have to "pay" the 3 pp to change factions, it would undermine the lv 1 rebuild rule.
The rebuild rule is a great one. It allows new players or players like me (who only played a few classes) to try out and come up with new characters to play.
It could be more clear on how this affects factions. Maybe not allowing faction changes, having a flexible update/change system for level 1 or make it clear that PP gained in one faction does not carry over...etc
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Thank you both for for the salient point of the OP.
I was furthering the discussion by saying that it's a poor precedent to set to put GMs in a position to be unable to tell when a character when a character has changed factions, regardless of whether it is at first level or not. It needs to be apparent that a rebuild was done at first level, as well as when the character changes factions at higher levels. Having different methods for faction changes at different levels seems awkward to me.
Plus, changing reported scenarios for every character that ever gets a first level rebuild seems to me to be a great deal of unnecessary book keeping.