eldergod0515
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As written "negates any force spell or spell-like ability targeted at the wearer." Does that mean the spell (or SLA) description must include a Target entry (verus Effect or Area?)
Mage Armor is Target = creature touched, so it would be negated if cast on the wearer?
What if the wearer had a Mage Armor in effect and then put on the ring? Would it retroactively negate the spell?
Effect spells: For example, the Hand spells (Crushing, Forceful, Grasping, Interposing, Clenched Fist) create an effect and the effect targets the wearer. Would the ring negate these effects or does the spell / spell-like ability have to specifically target the wearer (i.e., have a Target entry)?
Area spells: For example, Forcecage is an area of either a barred cage (20-ft. cube) or windowless cell (10-ft. cube). If the wearer is within that area would the ring negate the spell? What if the wearer comes into contact with the cage after it is cast?
What if the wearer had both a Ring of Forcefangs and a Ring of Force Shield?
| Mauril |
This band negates any force spell or spell-like ability targeted at the wearer. Doing so gives the ring a number of charges equal to the spell level of the incoming force effect. The ring can hold a maximum of nine charges. If an incoming force attack would charge the ring beyond this limit, the ring does not negate the attack or gain charges, and the attack affects the wearer normally. On command, the wearer can use the ring's charges to cast magic missile, unleashing one missile (1d4+1 force damage) per charge but no more than five missiles per round.
Answering in order:
1 Yes, the spell must be targeted. Effects or area spells are not negated by the ring.
2 This ring would negate Mage Armor being cast on the wearer.
3 It does not retroactively negate spells. It negates "incoming" spells.
4 As the Hand spells create an effect that later results in a potential of something happening to the wearer, the ring does not negate them. The spells must be targeted (see the first sentence of the description) and are only negated on incoming (see the second sentence).
5 It does not negate area spells for the same reason it does not negate effect spells. Area spells are almost never negated by personal items or abilities. They might allow one to bypass the effects, but they rarely negate the whole area effect.
6 By RAW, the shield from the ring is neither a spell nor a spell-like ability, nor is it a spell completion or spell-trigger item, so it wouldn't be negated by the ring of forcefangs.
eldergod0515
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Thanks for the quick response.
Based on that interpretation the ring would only stop nine spells (if I've done the research correctly).
These negative impact spells:
- Magic Missile
- Force Punch
- Force Hook Charge
- Leashed Shackles
And these five beneficial spells:
- Mage Armor
- Deflection
- Shield
- Instant Armor
- Wrathful Mantle
The wearer could avoid losing the beneficial spells by taking the ring off first, casting the spell, and then putting the ring back on.
| Iorthol |
I have additional questions about this item.
In the article it says "On command, the wearer can use the ring’s charges to cast magic missile, unleashing one missile (1d4+1 force damage) per charge but no more than five missiles per round."
Because of the lack of mention of caster level for the magic missile effects, and the specific wording, it sounds kinda like the user of the rings is casting the spell, and drawing the power for the spell from the charges of the ring instead of their spells per day.
Would the rings benefit from an Evocation school focus wizard's bonus to evocation spells? Would it use the wearer's CL for penetrating SR?
I have the questions.
| Corlindale |
No, items always use their own caster level unless an exception is explicitly called out (ex. Staves). That it allows the wielder to "cast" it is just a way of expressing it, I'm sure the text in plenty of magic item descriptions use similar language, without actually referring to the user's CL (also, if that was the case, the ring would be useless to anyone who isn't a spellcaster).