5d8 = 22.5dmg average or 11.25dmg with a ref save
The spell clearly states DR applies so if the target DR absorbs all the damage then the Dazing effect won't trigger as you didn't cause damage.
And if it's one thing Golems have its DR ;)
anything with evasion can also ignore the dazing if they make their save since they take no damage.
so yes it works but no its not an IWIN combo
is the dazing effect depending on damage? not just that the spell succeeds and "hits"?
is the dazing effect depending on damage? not just that the spell succeeds and "hits"?
yes the dazing effect specifically calls out apply only if effect spell does damage
In that case, there are still a dozen or so methods to make damage hit easily, a personal favorite of mine is the Eldritch Godling using methods to modify the energy type, as example into sonic damage
In that case, there are still a dozen or so methods to make damage hit easily, a personal favorite of mine is the Eldritch Godling using methods to modify the energy type, as example into sonic damage
heh I never consider 3rd party solutions, to be solutions ;)
Yeah that is potent. Unfortunately my GM will not allow 3rd party material. As a side note, I am trying to develop a powerful sorcerer for the new Runelords AP, since our party size will be 2!
New runelords AP ? are you talking about the anaversary edition of Rise of the Runelords ?
Yeah, the anniversary edition.
hrmm I was going to say you'll barely reach level 15 by the 6th chapter but if your only playing in a party of 2 then your going to get an xp overload and may well hit 20. Unless the encounters are scaled back accordingly to the progression is the same.
just trying to think back on my time with the AP and higher level spells earlier in that campaign may break some things your GM will need to be careful.
What the other player going to be ?
Yeah that is potent. Unfortunately my GM will not allow 3rd party material. As a side note, I am trying to develop a powerful sorcerer for the new Runelords AP, since our party size will be 2!
in that case, consider a class that can have a swarm of allies through summons or animal companion, maybe a skeletal army, and spells like charm person
with just 2 players, a horde of bodyguards is very helpful, be sure to also take Leadership
heh just remember whatever you decide on a 2 man party is two failed saves away from TPK, something worth keeping in mind ;)
The spell clearly states DR applies so if the target DR absorbs all the damage then the Dazing effect won't trigger as you didn't cause damage.
And if it's one thing Golems have its DR ;)
You can bypass silver, cold iron or adamantine DR using material components. But that does not even matter. Let's take the CR 19 Adamantine Golem. It has a ref save +9 which means that it has to roll a 19 or 20 Twice, thus it will fail it's save and take full damage -15 for it's dr and be dazed for 3 rounds.
The evasion can neutralize it but again need to make a second save if you make the first.
I think it's a very nasty combination.
Try it with acid arrow...
-James
interesting side effect of making it a dazing acid arrow the daze save becomes a Will save because acid arrow doesn't allow a save.
Dazing Acid Arrow > Constructs of virtually all kinds, especially Golems.
Otherwise, druids are incredibly good dazing-spell casters, and even get some spells around 2nd level that are AoE, so save, no SR. Tiny amounts of damage, but damage reduction doesn't apply, and you really just want your save DC to stick. :P