Widen Spell Metamagic Rod?

[Blueluck]

In the SRD I was able to find the Widen Spell metamagic feat and the list of metamagic rods, but not a Metamagic Rod of Widen.

Is there such an item?
If it exists, where can I find it?
If it doesn't exist, is there a reason why?

[blackbloodtroll]

I am still waiting for my metamagic rod of Umbral Spell.

[wraithstrike]

There is no metamagic rod of widen, not even in 3.5. I don't know why though.

[blackbloodtroll]

I suppose you can compare it to another metamagic rod with the same level boost, then use that price.

It would be a custom item, but at least not something hard to price.

[Count Duck]

There is'nt a widen Rod. Take Craft rods and make one yourself. Problem sovled. It makes the rest bearable to pay.

[Blueluck]

So, nobody knows of some reason why it would be inappropriate?

[blackbloodtroll]

It's not that it is inappropriate, it's just unestablished.
Why? No idea.

[Talonhawke]

@Wraithstrike......... Where did armor come from? Or did you get this and BBT's armor thread mixed up?

[blackbloodtroll]

What?

[wraithstrike]

Talonhawke wrote:

@Wraithstrike......... Where did armor come from? Or did you get this and BBT's armor thread mixed up?

I somehow posted in the wrong thread, lol. I will delete it.

[Talonhawke]

Yeah great Delete it and make me look crazy.......crazier maybe?

[wraithstrike]

To answer Blueluck though, I don't know why they don't have that rod availible. I have enough trouble trying not to hit party members when the radius is only 20 feet.

[Blueluck]

Thanks for the answers everyone. I really wanted to make sure there wasn't an intentional exception for Widen Spell before I put it into our game.

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wraithstrike wrote:

To answer Blueluck though, I don't know why they don't have that rod availible. I have enough trouble trying not to hit party members when the radius is only 20 feet.

Yeah, it can definitely backfire in the wrong situation.

We have a new player who joined our Kingmaker campaign (lot's of outdoor encounters) and he's playing a Gnome Sorcerer with the Draconic (Silver) bloodline. He's using cold based spells in-theme, and recently used Sleet Storm to buy us a couple rounds reprieve from a BBEG.

Sleet Storm:

Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area cylinder (40-ft. radius, 20 ft. high)
Duration 1 round/level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

Driving sleet blocks all sight (even darkvision) within it and causes the ground in the area to be icy. A creature can walk within or through the area of sleet at half normal speed with a DC 10 Acrobatics check. Failure means it can't move in that round, while failure by 5 or more means it falls (see the Acrobatics skill for details).

Key points

• 40' radius
  
• Half movement rate (or less)
  
• Blocks all sight
  
• No save
  
• No SR

So, for a typical enemy with movement 30, a double-move doesn't get them from the center to the outside. If you double the radius to 80', then it takes a typical enemy three full rounds of double move to get out of the area!

[Shivok]

Actually looking at ultimate equipment the widen spell rod is available.

Look at page 179 under table 4-2

Metamagic (+3 spell level), minor 14,000 gp
Metamagic (+3 spell level), normal 54,000 gp
Metamagic (+3 spell level), greater 121,500 gp

Then look at page 180 at table 4-5

and widen spell is on there.

[Blightana]

Help

Water Blast (Sp): At 1st level, as a standard action, you can fire a bolt of water at a foe within 30 feet as a ranged touch attack. The foe is knocked prone, and at your option may be pushed 5 feet directly away from you. A reflex save (DC 10 +1/2 your sorcerer level + your Charisma modifier) negates this effect. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.

Does that mean Touch attack for prone
then reflex save on push
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or Touch Attack & reflex save for both

[Bellona]

Shivok wrote:

Actually looking at ultimate equipment the widen spell rod is available.

Look at page 179 under table 4-2

Metamagic (+3 spell level), minor 14,000 gp
Metamagic (+3 spell level), normal 54,000 gp
Metamagic (+3 spell level), greater 121,500 gp

Then look at page 180 at table 4-5

and widen spell is on there.

Actually, it's listed on table 4-5 in UE, but there's no actual item description among all the other metamagic rods (nor is it among the rest of the rods).

The Widen Metamagic Rod appears to be a phantom as far as the game developers are concerned. I don't understand why it never appeared in the CRB either. At the same cost as the other +3 level metamagic rods, would it really be too overpowered?

The Still Metamagic Rod is non-existent too, but that's sort of understandable - the whole point of Still Spell is not to be waving one's hands about, therefore waving a magical rod about is not an acceptable replacement.

And I can see why the Heighten Metamagic Rod might not exist, as it would be hard to balance.