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I tried searching for an answer in the forums but I didn't find anything so here it goes: I have a 4th lvl character that I've been applying GM credit to (he also has player credit). Last weekend I GM'd the Dalsine Affair for a group at sub-tier 1-2. Now since the character I have (and would apply this credit to) is 4th lvl do I attach a sub-tier 4-5 chronicle to him?
As far as I understand the Guide you only apply credit to a lower tier if the GM character is between tiers, otherwise you apply it to the most appropriate sub-tier available to the character in question?
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no, you apply the tier credit that you gm'd, in my understanding. As with applying a higher-than-played chronicle to a player for the same mod, It's rather not kosher, but no one can really stop you until you get caught.
See this is why I'm asking such a stupid question. I want to get this right and not accidentally cheat.
Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant
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Sorry, shadowmage75, that's not the right answer.
The subtier for which a GM’s character receives credit
depends on the character’s level. If a GM with a 1st-level
rogue runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 1–2, she
takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet for her 1st-level rogue.
If she instead runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 4–5,
she still takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet, as her PC
clearly falls within the lower subtier.
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He applies the GM credit at subtier 4-5 since his character receiving the credit is already level 4. If the GM's character was level 3 he would be forced to apply the credit at subtier 1-2.
A level 4 or 7 Pregen credit gets applied to the character when they reach the level of the pregen used in the game.
Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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/snip I have a 4th lvl character ... I GM'd the Dalsine Affair for a group at sub-tier 1-2. ... Do I attach a sub-tier 4-5 chronicle to him?
Given that The Dalsine Affair is a tier 1-7 scenario you apply the sub-tier 3-4 gold and access to loot to your character, there is no 4-5 sub-tier. You otherwise have it all correct, regardless of running it at 1-2, 3-4, or 6-7.
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/snip I have a 4th lvl character ... I GM'd the Dalsine Affair for a group at sub-tier 1-2. ... Do I attach a sub-tier 4-5 chronicle to him?Given that The Dalsine Affair is a tier 1-7 scenario you apply the sub-tier 3-4 gold and access to loot to your character, there is no 4-5 sub-tier. You otherwise have it all correct, regardless of running it at 1-2, 3-4, or 6-7.
Yup you're right. I mixed it up with another 1-5 scenario I ran a couple of weeks ago. So yes, I meant to say sub-tier 3-4 (or to put it another way, not the 1-2 sub-tier the players got).
@Matthew: Glad I'm not the only one! :P
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I tried searching for an answer in the forums but I didn't find anything so here it goes: I have a 4th lvl character that I've been applying GM credit to (he also has player credit). Last weekend I GM'd the Dalsine Affair for a group at sub-tier 1-2. Now since the character I have (and would apply this credit to) is 4th lvl do I attach a sub-tier 4-5 chronicle to him?
As far as I understand the Guide you only apply credit to a lower tier if the GM character is between tiers, otherwise you apply it to the most appropriate sub-tier available to the character in question?
I ran Citadel of Flame (subtiers 1-2 and 4-5) last Friday. The group played at subtier 4-5. I have a level 3 character to whom I want to apply my GM credit. He is 1 xp away from level 4. I will use him to play a scenario the first morning of Gencon.
When do I have to apply the credit for CoF?
If I want to apply the chronicle immediately, I understand that I have to apply it as a subtier 1-2 chronicle. But may I apply it when he hits level 4, to be able to realize the benefits of the 4-5 subtier instead? I did not see anything that indicated that I need to apply a chronicle immediately, but I might have missed it.
Please advise.
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You have to apply it when you report the session, and GM credit has to appear in chronological order based on the level range of the scenario/module. Example all the 1-5s and 1-7s get applied immediately, 3-7 would be applied immediately at level 3+, 5-9s would be applied once the character hit 5, and then 7-11s would be applied once the character hit level 7. You can choose not to take GM credit for Citadel at this time and then play, but you would have to run Citadel a second time in order to take GM credit.
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Should a GM receive a Chronicle sheet that indicates
her character is between subtiers (for example, if she runs
a Tier 1–5 scenario with Subtiers 1–2 and 4–5 but has a
3rd-level character), she must always play down, taking a
Chronicle sheet for the lower subtier. This rule is meant
to balance the fact that the GM’s character does not have
to expend any resources or risk death while gaining a
Chronicle sheet for running a scenario.
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Should a GM receive a Chronicle sheet that indicates
her character is between subtiers (for example, if she runs
a Tier 1–5 scenario with Subtiers 1–2 and 4–5 but has a
3rd-level character), she must always play down, taking a
Chronicle sheet for the lower subtier. This rule is meant
to balance the fact that the GM’s character does not have
to expend any resources or risk death while gaining a
Chronicle sheet for running a scenario.
Right, but that does not indicate if the chronicle needs to be applied immediately or could be applied later in time, like after my next session when the character has hit level 4. Like post-level 1 pregen chronicles, for instance, which can be held and applied later.
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When you GM a scenario, you receive a Chronicle that you may apply to any character within the scenario’s tier that does not already have a Chronicle for the same scenario. That character receives the maximum XP, gold, and Prestige Points allowed for its subtier as if she had played through the scenario. Such a PC gains access to the equipment listed on the Chronicle sheet, but does not receive any of the special boons listed. If a PC to whom you apply credit falls between two subtiers, always grant the award for the lower subtier.
Under the Replaying Scenarios paragraph it says you get the chronicle sheet when you GM the scenario, just like it says that Players get a chronicle sheet when they play a scenario. Filling out the chronicle sheets per the appropriate sections of the GtPFSOP. It is implied in both cases that the chronicle be applied as soon as possible.
There is no wording allowing either group to hold credit for a later date, except for the following two exceptions. GM credit applied to characters not within the scenario's level range, and the higher than 1 pregen player credit rules. Both exceptions spell out that they must be applied immediately upon the appropriate character becomes eligible to receive the earned credit.
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How about using a little common sense, eh?
The paragraph clearly implies that you apply the chronicle sheet when you get it.
The Guide to Organized play is one of the worst organized documents I have read. It is a function of having seen so many edits over time without a real re-vamp of the document. So no, Don, common sense regarding a single paragraph doesn't really apply when you have some simple issues addressed piecemeal in numerous spots in the guide. I was looking for insight on the entire guide. It was implied.
Use a little common sense.
EDIT: I was going to include recognition of Mike B's awesome organizing of PFS since he took the helm, including the re-organization of the Guide to Play coming out shortly. It should make the Guide much more helpful.