The more guns, the merrier! Another exercise in silliness (critique welcome)

[ashern]

So... After reading the fourth or 5th iteration of the beast morph/vivisectionist silliness and hearing people talk about dex based damage, I thought of a build that maxes dex based damage with guns.

So, without further ado, gunslinging Shiva. Gnome gunslinger 5/ synthesist summoner 5. Really all you need is small quadruped form, and a whole bunch of extra arms. At summoner 5 you have eight evo points, so buy three pairs of arms, pounce, and reach for your bite (wait for it). Now you can wield 5 pistols with a free hand for reloading, and you can charge up to ten feet away from enemies, and broadside them with a volley of shots. Still working on crunching the numbers, but pounce means that you should be able to target touch AC all the time.

The big downsides I see with this build, are 1. Anything that has reach can AoO you a lot when you shoot it, 2. That's a lot of chances for exploding guns. 3. Seriously sucky will save (+2 base at level ten), however stacking wisdom and Synthesist bonus will start to help.

Feats necessary: -deadly aim, point blank, rapid reload, QuickDraw, iron will, precise shot
BAB is +9 at 10th level, eidolon form should have a dex of 22 with a belt, and a pouncing full attack you would have (+12/12/12/12/12/7)x2 for (1d6+12) plus your bite attack.. That attack string is unbuffed with +1 double barrel pistols, by the way.

This build only gets better as the levels move on, with the ability to afford reliable firearms, adding more arms, and getting better casting.

Thoughts?

[carn]

The synthesist is broken?

[Jon Otaguro 428]

Pounce is a charge and charge specifically calls out melee attacks. I know there are ways to get a thrown weapon charge, but I don't think you can do other range with charge. It doesn't invalidate your build, but does take out pounce gun barrage.

[Artanthos]

ashern wrote:

The big downsides I see with this build, are 1. Anything that has reach can AoO you a lot when you shoot it, 2. That's a lot of chances for exploding guns. 3. Seriously sucky will save (+2 base at level ten), however stacking wisdom and Synthesist bonus will start to help.

Will is the primary save for summoners, +4 at 5th level with +2 from shielded meld.

You will have only a base 16 dex unless you spend evo points to increase.

[ashern]

Jon Otaguro 428 wrote:

Pounce is a charge and charge specifically calls out melee attacks. I know there are ways to get a thrown weapon charge, but I don't think you can do other range with charge. It doesn't invalidate your build, but does take out pounce gun barrage.

Per the SRD "Pounce (Ex) When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability)."- I understand your point, but it specifically says full attack.

Also, I was using a small form eidolon, for dex bonus, which gets dex 18 without evolution points. As more become available, pumping dexterity, natural armor, and getting extra arms are the main points to add at.

As for other things to add, arcane strike could help with damage, and he has access to the normal summoner buffs and spells.

Edit: Spelling

[Kydeem de'Morcaine]

ashern wrote:

Jon Otaguro 428 wrote:

Pounce is a charge and charge specifically calls out melee attacks. I know there are ways to get a thrown weapon charge, but I don't think you can do other range with charge. It doesn't invalidate your build, but does take out pounce gun barrage.

Per the SRD "Pounce (Ex) When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability)."- I understand your point, but it specifically says full attack...

Issue isn't the pounce it it the charge.

"...When a creature with this special attack makes a charge..."

"...Attacking on a Charge: After moving, you may make a single melee attack..."

For it to be a charge it has to be a melee attack.