Hi!
I have some problems in calculation of the costs of a wondrous item one of my players whant to create.
Also I would like to request your thoughts for this item .. where might be a side effect (abuse) I will have to think of in the future as a GM?
Background:
Our Witch (lvl 8) has lost an eye. Now she thinks of a replacement. Her idea is a rubin enchanted with arcane sight and permanancy plugged into her eye socket.
She by herself can create wondrous items but will need help from other classes for the spells.
How do I calculate the crafting process (DCs) and the costs for this item?
I am looking forward for your ideas :)
Best regards,
Alandia
First, you do not need to use Craft Wondrous Item for this.
Because Arcane Sight (permanent) can only be cast upon oneself the Witch will need to use scrolls to do so. She cannot use other people to help.
Arcane Sight scroll (@ level 11) = 3*11*25 = 825gp
Permanency scroll (@level 11) = 5*11*25 = 1375gp
Material Component for the scroll: 7500gp
Total cost: 9700gp
However, it also requires a caster level check to read the arcane sight scroll and a UMD check to read the Permanency Scroll.
Now: if you would rather make a magic item of this it does not require Permanency. Instead it would start with a cost of 3(spell level)*5(caster level)*2000(continuous)*2(1min/level duration) = 60000gp
Since there is no magic item that already has Arcane Sight we should compare it to the permanency version of arcane sight.
Permanency can be dispelled..that is a reason for it being less expensive.
60,000gp is over 6times the price. I would tone that down. ALOT.
Perhaps 20,000gp is a good price for a permanent version of Arcane Sight. Double price seems reasonable for an ability that cannot be dispelled. Note: it should take up the eye slot.
- Gauss
Edit: The DC to create the eye is 10 (5+5caster level = 10) with a prerequisite of Arcane Sight.
Many items that have a power permanently activated also require the spell Permanency. If you believe this should be one of them that will increase the caster level to 9 (DC14) and will probably require her to increase the DC to 19 since she does not have the Permanency prerequisite.
Thank you Gauss!
Out of curiousity, what option do you think the Witch will take?
- Gauss
I'd agree with Gauss, 60,000 is way too much for such a spell in my opinion. But if you don't want to reduce the cost for this instance, you could, go the route of permanency.
As for possible abuses, there really aren't too many. The problem you may encounter is that the Witch will now automatically detect any magical things within 120 ft of the direction she is looking. So things like Illusions, Traps, Items, and such things. It can get a little annoying, but I don't generally think it will be too big of a problem.
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Crap, I got Tels agreeing with me? WTF! Say It Aint So Tels! J/K :D
- Gauss
Crap, I got Tels agreeing with me? WTF! Say It Aint So Tels! J/K :D
- Gauss
Ah Ha! You're falling for my dastardly plan to keep you off balance! Surrender now and I may show you mercy!
Hmmmm, that presumes you had me off balance. How presumptive of you!
- Gauss
I think those 40k sounds reasonably.
I have given my player those options. atm he is a bit quiet on the other end of icq .... we will see ;)
i will keep you updated!
Best regards,
Alandia
ICQ?!?! I thought that went bye bye ages ago!
40K? a bit steep but its your game. :)
- Gauss
As for possible abuses, there really aren't too many. The problem you may encounter is that the Witch will now automatically detect any magical things within 120 ft of the direction she is looking. So things like Illusions, Traps, Items, and such things. It can get a little annoying, but I don't generally think it will be too big of a problem.
I might be a bit off rules there but if I do not want my players something to detect in front of time they will not. This will havt to be used whise but there are always things beyond the reaches of PCs ;)
But in generally I agree with you. Its mor annoying than really a balancing problem.
From my point of view a good idea and that should be honored I think.
ICQ?!?! I thought that went bye bye ages ago!
No it's still working well ;)
40K? a bit steep but its your game. :)- Gauss
Ahh, I did misunderstood you. You meant double the price of the scroll version. -> 20k
I doubled those 20k ....
Alandia: It is within the rules. The spell that puts it within the rules is 'Nondetection'. Hit an item with nondetection and any divination magic will have to make a caster level check to perceive the item.
This includes Arcane Sight.
- Gauss
Right, I meant double the scroll.
Using the scrolls = 9700.
My pricing for the 'eye' would be double 9700 rounded up = 20,000gp
- Gauss
Out of curiousity, what option do you think the Witch will take?
- Gauss
He will stick with the permanent eye for 20k.
He i now saving for it because he thinks its a good addition to his character besides the magic effects.
So thanks again :)